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Post by here to stay on Nov 27, 2017 23:40:14 GMT
Tessie has been bothered by gnats causing allergic reaction. I saw this ointment on the Jeffers site called Belly Balm. And it did work. Unfortunately on the 4th day of using it , she had a bad reaction, causing swelling all the way back to her udder. Then she developed mastitis with 103 temperature.
The vet just left after giving her banamine and an antibiotic intravenously. She is going to be on them for several days. It was so painful that she almost fell over when he touched her udder.
I hate, hate, hate it when I make a perfectly fine animal sick.
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Post by here to stay on Nov 27, 2017 23:42:31 GMT
Oh an now I have to go out there and try tobwash it off. I hope I can get it done. The stuff sticks like glue. Arrgghh...
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Post by feather on Nov 27, 2017 23:54:03 GMT
Such a bummer!!!! The ingredients say OILS and WAX, so, washing it off will be, same dissolves same, so it will come off with oils and wax and not as well with water and soap. Good luck and we are hoping good things for you both.
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Post by Daniel on Nov 28, 2017 0:50:27 GMT
Shampoo, lots of it. Should help cut the oil, could try adding a bit of dawn to the shampoo. Any regular non conditioning shampoo might work, like dollar general white rain or something. Shampoo washes out oil. I keep a cheap bottle of dollar general stuff at home to get stains out like salad dressings ect.
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Post by Mari-in-IN on Nov 28, 2017 2:10:53 GMT
Oh, here to stay, So sorry you and Tessie are having to go through this... All that work/stress in regards to her incisors and now this! Prayers for you and your dear friend Tessie... Take care, ~Mari |
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Post by here to stay on Nov 28, 2017 2:38:13 GMT
Shoot. I left before I could look at the responses.
Anyway I used betadine surgical scrub. really hot water and an Original California Car Duster. The duster was the softest thing I could find to use. Surprisingly it's curve matches a horse's belly too. Anyway the stuff came off the horse but I doubt it ever come out of the duster.
She was so good, only lifting her leg and hopping a bit sideways. Many another horse would have kicked at me. It was so painful that she was panting in distress when the vet was feeling around trying to figure out what happened. The vet said her heart was pounding.
An hour and a half from the vet giving her banamine, her temperature dropped from 103.8 to 102. She was moving a bit better too. That was a whale of a high temperature for an old horse to have.
The vet said that I will have to wait 48 hours to know whether the antibiotic will work but the banamine he gave me should suppress her temperature until then.
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Post by mzgarden on Nov 28, 2017 2:52:26 GMT
here to stay, I'm so sorry. Those of us with fur babies/animals try so hard to do right by and for them - you've really stretched out for Tessie. Sometimes we just can't anticipate a reaction like this. I'm sorry for you both <hugs>
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Post by aoconnor on Nov 28, 2017 13:47:51 GMT
Oh no, so sorry to hear all of that. You sure were trying to help her, please don’t beat yourself up for that!! Tessie will forgive you, and she will get better with your loving and gentle care.
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Post by Woodpecker on Nov 28, 2017 15:37:43 GMT
OH, so sorry for Tessie and you...you were taking gentle care of her. Who would know something like that would happen? You and Tessie have made many trips to the vet lately. I'll keep you both in my prayers.
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Post by horseyrider on Nov 28, 2017 18:58:42 GMT
here to stay , you went at it with the best intentions. Hey, I did something similar recently. I got a new rescue dog that had lived with an addict, who put dog food second to drugs. He was underweight, and the dog food she sent with him was unrecognizable. I put him on Orajen Red, a very high quality dog food, with six different protein sources, including freeze dried meats. His nervous loose poops got looser. I added ProZyme, intending to help repopulate his gut with beneficial bacteria. Then he started squirting poops similar to pancake batter. I googled "Can ProZyme cause diarrhea in dogs?" The answer was yes, if they're allergic to dairy. I pulled the ProZyme and put him on Tylan, to try and stop the diarrhea, but the poor boy got so crampy, it about broke my heart. The diarrhea went on unabated.
I decided I needed to cut to the chase and took him to the vet. Bloodwork revealed his intestines to be so inflamed, he could not assimilate folate. Interestingly, I was feeding him daily vitamin B complex to help settle his nerves, and of course folic acid was in there. The vet said it might be allergies, and some really upset guts; or it might be cancer. I told him of googling about the ProZyme, and that even the Tylan didn't work; and in my experience Tylan always works. He asked me if I got the Tylan from his office, and I said yes; and he said they always add ProZyme to it.
Long story longer, I requested the ELISA test. It's not 100% accurate, but it does a great job of weeding out things to which our critters are allergic. When the results came back, I was gobsmacked. This dog is allergic to beef, chicken, turkey, lamb, cow's milk (which includes cheese, darn it) and bananas, of all things. He's borderline for venison, salmon, and pork. Interestingly, he's negative for corn and soy! the only grain he can't handle is barley. I also requested an environmental irritants profile, and the big one here is sycamore trees, as well as cat dander and (gulp!) human dander.
I marched from the vet's office to the feed store with my paperwork, and told the manager about my dilemma. He had several dog foods to show me, one being Venture (by Earthborn) Pollack and Pumpkin, and the other being Venture Squid and chickpea. I opted for the first one, and my vet gave me Tylan that's without ProZyme, which he continues on to this day. We'll do more bloodwork in a month or so, to see if his guts are doing any better absorbing nutrients. He's gained about twelve pounds, and his coat is shiny. He sure itches, though; I may go in before the next bloodwork to see if there's something I can do better for him besides Benadryl. I tried hard to do right by him, but ended up taking an unpleasant detour before I got things on track.
We try, we always try. We're not always right; but when we know better, we do better. Your girl is lucky to have you. |
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Post by shellymay on Nov 28, 2017 18:59:38 GMT
Remember, you noticed the reaction, then you reacted to get her care and checked out by vet and that is great......  |
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Post by here to stay on Nov 28, 2017 19:20:21 GMT
This morning her temperature was 100.4. The swelling was larger but softer so I think that it's accumulating edema rather than the infection is spreading. She is still walking very slowly and stiffly but a bit less hesitantly although that may be optimistic.
This morning I got up as soon as it was light and checked on her from the house. I had that hesitant feeling that comes from not knowing what you'll find. She was looking much brighter. Phew.
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Post by here to stay on Nov 30, 2017 2:25:00 GMT
Tessie's temperature dropped to under 100 today. Vet said to stop the banamine and he will stop by to see her one Friday morning.
She's doing better but is still reluctant to move. The swelling on her udder has turned into a firmer lump but it's hot to the touch. I don't think that is mastitis like but I don't know. I feel good the vet will check it out on Friday.
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Post by shellymay on Nov 30, 2017 15:12:54 GMT
here to stay , Yes hot is a sign of Mastitis and the lump, I am just not sure why all of this if she hasn't had a baby? so confused about putting some kind of meds on her and things elevated to Mastitis?
Okay, so let me tell you this, you might or might not know I have a female dog who had puppies two weeks ago, One week after puppies where born my female was in bad shape, she was staggering, shivering, drooling and very obvious something was wrong, I called vet oh yeah it was the day before Thanksgiving, he said bring her in NOW, he started preparing for giving her a IV which he will run calcium through as he was sure she was suffering from calcium levels dropping because of pups.
When we arrived he started checking her over, temp was shot way up 104, he checked her female parts and no retained pup, no odor so all was good there, then he checked her teats and did indeed find one that was HOT and firm, IV was started and he only gave her half the amount of calcium he thought she was going to need, BUT he did inject to the IV antibiotics, Mastitis can go SPETIC causing a infection, which explained her sickness...
After a little while with the IV my dog was doing a little better, he did draw blood also and had that sent off to lab, I was sent home with TWO different antibiotics for her, and calcium tablets, Seems my dog was making more milk then the pups where drinking and because her teat was staying way to full it some how caused mastitis to start, I was to check her the next day and see if the heat was still in teat and if it still felt like firm lump, he told me that I should see a big difference in 24 hrs of the meds, if not I was to call him on Thanksgiving day if no change, thank goodness she was indeed better in 24 hrs, she is still on the antibiotics to this day, I guess septic infection is serious stuff, her teat is normal temp and believe it or not the lump is all but gone, I give my vet credit for that with his quick reactions to care for my dog.....
Something to ask your vet about? |
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Post by here to stay on Nov 30, 2017 15:47:47 GMT
shellymay , I will ask. The vet thought that maybe the ointment caused the teat to swell, the teat to open and allowed the introduction of bacteria. It was hard to tell as the swelling was diffuse and covered the upper par of her thigh and into her belly. The harder lump remaining is not around the teat but may still involve the edge of the udder. It's hard to tell for me. Anyway now that she's not going to be on banamine, it should be more clear as to whether the first antibiotic is working. The vet gave it IV and then I am giving a daily dose in her feed since then. I will ask about sepsis. Even the office receptionist took it seriously when I reported Tessie's temperature. She asked whether it was taken with a digital or mercury thermometer. It was all so sudden as she seemed fine the day before but was so bad the next morning. Luckily she was not so bad as to stop eating. Thank you for telling me about your situation. I'm glad your girl is doing well. How long is she to be on antibiotics?
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Post by shellymay on Nov 30, 2017 16:25:21 GMT
I am talking to you from my work computer so I am not home, the two antibiotics one of them she has two more days left so it was a 10 day course, the other one she has to take (6) of them a day, yep 6... three in morning and three at night, this second one is a full 14 day course so still 6 days left on it.... I don't understand how I have 10 pups and my female only has 8 teats and pups still aren't draining her enough so something like this doesn't happen, guess I have an over achiever in milk production female dog, I think she could feed 15 pups, lol I want you to know my dog is back to 100% her old self, but she has to stay on the antibiotics for the full course, she gave birth to 11 pups (posted pictures in picture thread) on day 3 I sadly lost one, the 10 left are doing great, eyes open and getting around on their wobbly legs a little, they are huge, heck doc had to weigh my female when I took her in for that emergency that night and momma dog even though she was being sucked on by pups and giving them her all, momma dogs weight was 104 lbs, she is a big girl, without pups vet thinks she may run around 124 lb range...
So here is another story for you, I realize a horse is tall and all, but my pig that I raised this year and have since sent to slaughter and is now in my freezer, I purchased her at 7 weeks of age, I had her for about 2 months maybe... She was a free range pig and ran with my sheep at the home site, after having her for the 2 months I noticed a lump starting on what appeared to be her umbilical cord area, I wasn't sure why, I thought maybe a spider bite or something so I let it go and decided to keep an eye on, well it kept growing, slowly but growing in size, when it got to about half of a tennis ball size I was shocked and trying to get ahold of the breeder with questions and searching the internet, everything kept pointing me to herniated umbilical cord.....never got a hold of breeder, and the internet info said it can continue to grow and for some it was know to get so big that pig was dragging it on ground when they walked, it also said CALL your butcher because it could taint the meat and be useless, scared I was so I did call my butcher and he said he could indeed cut it all out and toss that part of meat area and save the rest, but she may have to be butchered way before our scheduled time....
Well I will be darn if month after month it started getting SMALLER in size to the point over a few months it was gone, THUD, maybe this lump was really a SNAKE bite, or a injury that swelled and swelled and then went down for some reason on its own, I do not know to this day, But I can tell you that I had a livestock guard dog that had a swollen front foot, he was limping on it, after exam I could only see one tiny hole in swelled area, started him on Benadryl for the swelling and after two days but not until then when swelling was down enough you could then see TWO puncture holes in foot, yep the spacing was perfect for snake bite....he recovered from it....
So that brings me to question what area are your from, do you have nasty snakes, and I would take a good look to see if NOW you or doc can see some type of puncture's now that swelling is going down, good luck and I hope she keeps improving and that all will be well soon.... |
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Post by here to stay on Nov 30, 2017 17:11:29 GMT
shellymay, no. Only garter snakes. The udder of a mare is not easily viewed, necessitating putting yourself in a very dangerous place even if the horse stood still. I might try a mirror. The doc checked for puncture wounds as far as he could. But since the swollen are is smaller, something might show up now.
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Post by shellymay on Nov 30, 2017 17:29:19 GMT
LOL you are right on the area trying to be viewed, at the time no way was I going to try to tackle my pig and try to figure out what was going on in her umbilical area
Do let us know on your vets visit Friday as to how she is doing, we always stay worried until we can see positive results... |
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Post by aoconnor on Dec 1, 2017 1:29:04 GMT
here to stay , you went at it with the best intentions. Hey, I did something similar recently. I got a new rescue dog that had lived with an addict, who put dog food second to drugs. He was underweight, and the dog food she sent with him was unrecognizable. I put him on Orajen Red, a very high quality dog food, with six different protein sources, including freeze dried meats. His nervous loose poops got looser. I added ProZyme, intending to help repopulate his gut with beneficial bacteria. Then he started squirting poops similar to pancake batter. I googled "Can ProZyme cause diarrhea in dogs?" The answer was yes, if they're allergic to dairy. I pulled the ProZyme and put him on Tylan, to try and stop the diarrhea, but the poor boy got so crampy, it about broke my heart. The diarrhea went on unabated.
I decided I needed to cut to the chase and took him to the vet. Bloodwork revealed his intestines to be so inflamed, he could not assimilate folate. Interestingly, I was feeding him daily vitamin B complex to help settle his nerves, and of course folic acid was in there. The vet said it might be allergies, and some really upset guts; or it might be cancer. I told him of googling about the ProZyme, and that even the Tylan didn't work; and in my experience Tylan always works. He asked me if I got the Tylan from his office, and I said yes; and he said they always add ProZyme to it.
Long story longer, I requested the ELISA test. It's not 100% accurate, but it does a great job of weeding out things to which our critters are allergic. When the results came back, I was gobsmacked. This dog is allergic to beef, chicken, turkey, lamb, cow's milk (which includes cheese, darn it) and bananas, of all things. He's borderline for venison, salmon, and pork. Interestingly, he's negative for corn and soy! the only grain he can't handle is barley. I also requested an environmental irritants profile, and the big one here is sycamore trees, as well as cat dander and (gulp!) human dander.
I marched from the vet's office to the feed store with my paperwork, and told the manager about my dilemma. He had several dog foods to show me, one being Venture (by Earthborn) Pollack and Pumpkin, and the other being Venture Squid and chickpea. I opted for the first one, and my vet gave me Tylan that's without ProZyme, which he continues on to this day. We'll do more bloodwork in a month or so, to see if his guts are doing any better absorbing nutrients. He's gained about twelve pounds, and his coat is shiny. He sure itches, though; I may go in before the next bloodwork to see if there's something I can do better for him besides Benadryl. I tried hard to do right by him, but ended up taking an unpleasant detour before I got things on track.
We try, we always try. We're not always right; but when we know better, we do better. Your girl is lucky to have you
I have a German Shepard with bad allergies. I have her on Appoquel and she is doing very well. It has alleviated most of the itching. Maybe your eat could give you a prescription of that and you could give it a try. |
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Post by shellymay on Dec 1, 2017 14:23:34 GMT
aoconnor, Sorry but I wouldn't be giving my dog Appoquel as it not good, have you read up on it?
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Post by horseyrider on Dec 1, 2017 17:36:14 GMT
aoconnor , Sorry but I wouldn't be giving my dog Appoquel as it not good, have you read up on it?
shellymay, thank you Thank You THANK YOU for this little nudge! I did some reading, and I'm gobsmacked. I have a dear friend whose dogs are her life, and one of her favorites is on Apoquel. I'll stick with my plebian Benadryl, and pass along the nudge and information.
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Post by feather on Dec 1, 2017 19:29:22 GMT
here to stay, maybe you didn't make tessie sick. My husband at the time, was having terrible back pains. So I started to give him massages and also some accupressure (holding pressure over the muscle and the nerve that was causing the pain), and this cuts off the nerve pain once it is released, or at least lessens it. Usually this relieved the pain to some extent. One time, it didn't. The muscle spasms got worse and we went to the doctor. I explained what I was doing and this is what he told me. He said that sometimes we do all we can and it doesn't help, but that doesn't mean it makes it worse, it might just be the progression of the injury/disease. Not every treatment works with every pain or every time. So I suggest, that, you didn't make tessie sick, and that you gave her what treatment you could, and it didn't work. Maybe the infection was already happening before you even started trying to help. Doctors do this all the time, they prescribe a treatment and things don't get better. We don't go around blaming the inflammation or the injury, or the infection, or the pain, to the doctor's treatment just because it didn't work. It is a series of treatments, some of which work better or worse depending on the root cause. So take yourself off the guilt hook there.
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Post by here to stay on Dec 1, 2017 20:07:42 GMT
The vet was here. He said she was doing much better but to put her back on banamine- a half dose morning and night- and gave me 3 more days of antibiotics to add to my remaining three packets.
He said that she may be suffering from phlebitis now. She is doing better and that her temperature not going up when I stopped the banamine means that there is no systemwide infection.
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Post by shellymay on Dec 1, 2017 21:38:54 GMT
here to stay, Have been waiting impatiently for your update  wow had to look up phlebitis, so happy to hear she is on her way to recovery, praying that this will soon be behind you both and she is back to her old self....
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Post by aoconnor on Dec 2, 2017 2:15:32 GMT
Thank you for posting about Appoquel.. I didn’t know, but will be giving no more of it to my girl. I’ll find something else to help her.
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wow had to look up phlebitis, so happy to hear she is on her way to recovery, praying that this will soon be behind you both and she is back to her old self....