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Post by snoozy on Jan 7, 2020 0:54:27 GMT
I just got hired to be an "enumerator" (census taker). An 8 week gig, plus training. Should be an adventure. Anybody done it before?
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Post by Jolly on Jan 7, 2020 1:36:33 GMT
You have my deepest sympathy.
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Post by Ozarks Tom on Jan 7, 2020 1:48:22 GMT
Whatever sins you might have committed in your past, they couldn't be so bad as to punish yourself with that job.
But, if you persist with this, just assume every door you knock on will be opened by a meth head, an illegal alien who just molested a child, or a bail jumper thinking your a bondsman.
I'm 6'3", 200 pounds, carry a weapon, and I wouldn't do it.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 1:56:47 GMT
I don't have any ill will towards the census takers themselves. But when they are so stupid to believe the tripe that they are federal workers and have the 'authority' to go past NO TRESPASSING signs or do other illegal things, I develop some ill will towards them.
We tell them 2 people live here, thank you and have a good day.
The last one went to our neighbors and asked them all kinds of questions -- that they answered! If they are asking more than how many people live at this address, there is something seriously wrong with that.
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Post by krisinmi on Jan 7, 2020 1:59:48 GMT
I was an enumerator for the 2000 census. It was. . . interesting. Not bad, but definitely interesting from time to time.
That said, I decided after that was done, I would never work the census again. Mainly because the management/overseer attitude went from "answering is optional, be polite and see how many questions the (person who hadn't turned in their original census) will answer" to "these people need to answer the questions whether they want to or not".
This was not a reflection of me, I had gotten a huge majority of my assigned questionnaires filled out willingly, then was given some that had been first assigned to other enumerators who hadn't been able to get any info from the people named.
For something that was supposedly voluntary: sharing personal information on the census; the attitude of the gov't supervisor really turned me off.
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Post by Maura on Jan 7, 2020 4:38:28 GMT
I was an enumerator twice In 1990, because our area is very rural, a person went to every door. I think it was a way to give short term employment to a low income area. Worked for me. Luckily, I had the strip along the lakeshore (Lake Huron), which is 90% summer homes. Later, a few of us were picked to revisit homes that had either not answered the door or who had not been home.
In 2000 everyone got theirs in the mail. I only went to homes that had not sent theirs in. Most people who had not sent theirs in was because they did not understand they received the census, they thought it was a note telling them they were going to receive the census. If nobody was home I would ask a neighbor to verify the home was vacant (summer place). You need verification that a place is vacant. Neighbors will also tell you how many people live there, if applicable. The numbers have an effect on receiving various Federal or state money the area gets. That information usually opens people up.
Nobody met me with a gun. 99% were helpful and respectful.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 7, 2020 8:05:09 GMT
Last census I did the paper work but they just kept coming back finally in 2014 I learned why.
My address is wrong and the map was wrong. Then add in the census person person falsely claimed they had gone to where my address and map claimed existed and no one answered the door.
So, they kept sending PEOPLE to get results and stopping by my house because that existed in realty but not on any map and the address being wrong was confusing. So for quite sometime the sent folks to hunt down a house in the middle of the 80acres the first person claimed existed.
Years later I got a call where I was to provide any information for the non exiting house on my land... They had me recorded stating that there is no other house that someone must have lied in the beginning for what ever reason but that no other home was ever built on at the geographic area in question.
My address is still wrong but recent maps now show my house where my house in on my land.
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Post by bluemingidiot on Jan 7, 2020 14:33:12 GMT
That sounds like my government.
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Post by Melissa on Jan 7, 2020 15:16:43 GMT
I think it is important for your local area to be sure you give an accurate count of everyone in the household. I also don't mind answering the other questions. I don't have much to hide...
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Post by woodwind77 on Jan 7, 2020 18:43:38 GMT
I don't enjoy filling out a census form; to me it's a "survey", and I hate surveys. Having said that, I will do it and try not to complain, because I know how important it is for all of us. If you don't know what census statistics are used for, you can follow this link and find out. census.govScroll down to " How Our Data Are Used " Maybe after reading that you will see how important the census is, and feel better about doing your part to help yourself, your family and your area.
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Post by bluemingidiot on Jan 7, 2020 19:29:41 GMT
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Post by dodgesmammaw on Jan 7, 2020 21:51:09 GMT
I do not mind filling out census. I filled ours out online. I would not want the job of a census taker. From volunteering weekly at the local mission I see how hard it is to get basic info from some of these folks. I certainly wouldn't want to be knocking on their doors.
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Post by bowdonkey on Jan 8, 2020 1:11:04 GMT
We knew both census takers in the 20 some years we been here. We must be lucky, no questions that are intrusive and can later be held against you.
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Post by snoozy on Jan 8, 2020 3:54:20 GMT
You aren't getting some census-lite version. Everybody is asked for the same info. What was decided about the citizenship question? I don't remember the final outcome of the debate.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 8, 2020 4:32:05 GMT
I think some of you may be getting what is called "the long form" of the census. Questions like how many toilets are in your house? And what time do you go to work? Pages of questions are on it. ACS I think it is. American Community Survey or something like that. This is all garbage stuff and not just asking how many people there are.
For those of you who have nothing to hide - that's good. But don't you ever wonder WHY the govt stooges want to know all this stuff about Americans?? It's none of their business and they are not benevolent.
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Post by mzgarden on Jan 8, 2020 12:32:49 GMT
I'm happy to tell them how many people reside in my home. I'm happy to confirm both of us are US citizens. I got the ACS a couple years ago and answered the same basic questions I did for the Census. I found this: linkThe Census Bureau emphasizes that all questions must be answered. The ACS envelope arrives with a warning that a response is required by law. The form threatens a $100 US Dollar (USD) fine for every question that goes unanswered, and a $500 USD fine for every question answered untruthfully.
While big business benefits from having as much information about citizens as possible, many citizens are unwilling to give away their right to privacy. Hence, many are refusing to return the ACS. This automatically results in an additional form being sent, followed by a series of phone calls. In 21% of the cases, an unannounced, personal visit from a Census Bureau representative follows in a final attempt to get the survey completed. Often, more than one visit takes place.
In the end, however, the Census Bureau has no authority to enforce the laws that require the ACS be answered. The Census Bureau can press formal charges for non-compliance, but this is somewhat impractical given the number of forms that are not returned, or that are returned incomplete. A lawsuit would likely draw media attention and a public outcry that would very probably bring an end to the survey or end mandatory compliance. As of early 2007, no legal action has been taken against anyone for refusing to answer the ACS.
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Post by LauraD on Jan 8, 2020 14:06:21 GMT
I received the ACS (long form) during one of the census years - either 2000 or 2010. I went ahead and answered all the questions; there was nothing that raised my suspicions - and I'm the paranoid type. Also, I've spent enough of my life doing research to appreciate having accurate data available on a wide range of subjects.
Added: Of note, I have no hesitation in refusing to answer any questions that I feel are inappropriate or could be used against me at a later date...
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Post by midtnmama on Jan 8, 2020 15:09:28 GMT
But don't you ever wonder WHY the govt stooges want to know all this stuff about Americans?? It's none of their business and they are not benevolent. "Census data are used to determine our system of political representation, inform business development and investment, and allocate government funds to where they are most needed." Answer the questionnaire--it means $$s to your area. You pay taxes, your community deserves to get their share.
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Post by grillbilly on Jan 8, 2020 15:28:34 GMT
But don't you ever wonder WHY the govt stooges want to know all this stuff about Americans?? It's none of their business and they are not benevolent. "Census data are used to determine our system of political representation, inform business development and investment, and allocate government funds to where they are most needed." Answer the questionnaire--it means $$s to your area. You pay taxes, your community deserves to get their share. Seriously? ? All it truly means is more people in our communities attached to the governments' teat.
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Post by midtnmama on Jan 8, 2020 15:48:27 GMT
Grillbilly: You talk big, but you drive on those roads and rely on a host of other things that humans all the way back to the Romans and Ancient Greeks recognized as being a part of a CIVILIZATION.
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Post by woodwind77 on Jan 8, 2020 18:24:00 GMT
grillbilly, I treasure whatever independence I have left, and I don't want any personal government hand-outs. On the other hand, I do like our roads, schools, police, fire, public hospital and ambulance services, along with other services that receive tax dollars from the federal, state and county government in order to survive and function.
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Post by grillbilly on Jan 8, 2020 19:48:09 GMT
Grillbilly: You talk big, but you drive on those roads and rely on a host of other things that humans all the way back to the Romans and Ancient Greeks recognized as being a part of a CIVILIZATION. And those empires are where they are at right now for what reason? Too large a government and over-taxation perhaps?
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Post by grillbilly on Jan 8, 2020 19:54:34 GMT
grillbilly, I treasure whatever independence I have left, and I don't want any personal government hand-outs. On the other hand, I do like our roads, schools, police, fire, public hospital and ambulance services, along with other services that receive tax dollars from the federal, state and county government in order to survive and function. I like these services very much myself, but they are handled hereabouts at the state and local levels. The federal government just needs to keep the country from being invaded so that these things can happen. And at these levels there is a chance, albeit small, that my voice will be heard when decisions are made.
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Post by Melissa on Jan 8, 2020 22:36:12 GMT
The state and local levels also use the numbers and data from the census when determining where funds are allocated. If you want money to stay in your area it is good to be counted!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 0:45:20 GMT
The state and local levels also use the numbers and data from the census when determining where funds are allocated. If you want money to stay in your area it is good to be counted! I think most of us here recognize that "we need to be counted". What I object to is all of those other questions that are NOT what the census is for. The Constitution says that the govt would take a COUNT of the people every 10 years. Not all that other intrusive hogwash. Plus as I said above, the govt is not benevolent. I don't trust nor like any of it. They get no info from me except how many people live here. The End.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 0:46:56 GMT
But don't you ever wonder WHY the govt stooges want to know all this stuff about Americans?? It's none of their business and they are not benevolent. "Census data are used to determine our system of political representation, inform business development and investment, and allocate government funds to where they are most needed." Answer the questionnaire--it means $$s to your area. You pay taxes, your community deserves to get their share. I certainly will not answer the questionnaire! How many live here, yes. But not any of that other stuff on the ACS.
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Post by snoozy on Jan 9, 2020 2:00:56 GMT
Don't forget that your great grandkids might one day want to do some genealogical research about you, and censuses are a very important source of such information.
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Post by snoozy on Jan 9, 2020 2:07:30 GMT
And I object to the term "government stooge". Do you call members of the armed forces "government stooges"? They also get their paychecks from the govt. How about your Firefighters? How about teachers? How about park staff? How about bank examiners and health inspectors? They all get their paychecks from the govt.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2020 4:04:24 GMT
And I object to the term "government stooge". Do you call members of the armed forces "government stooges"? They also get their paychecks from the govt. How about your Firefighters? How about teachers? How about park staff? How about bank examiners and health inspectors? They all get their paychecks from the govt. Object all you want, it won't change the way I think about the govt. And the 'stooges' who suck off the teat of the American taxpayer. People in the military are being lied to every which way they can be to get them to sign up. Offered boat loads of incentives. I pray for our military every day. But the majority of them know not what they are actually signing up for. And they dang sure don't know they are considered cannon fodder by the crooked politicians who use them up and throw them away. As for the rest of those that you mentioned - bank examiners and health inspectors? I got nothing for them. Teachers belong to the most corrupt union in the US. They take their orders from the govt and I have no respect for those who just willingly go along with whatever they are told to do, even when they know it isn't what is best for the students. You think and believe whatever you'd like. This is still somewhat a free country, for now.
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Post by snoozy on Jan 9, 2020 15:33:38 GMT
Goodness, you're full of bile and anger! Planning on donating your social security check to the NRA, then are you?
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