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Post by bergere on Aug 25, 2015 16:42:10 GMT
Caspian, the hair sheep is acting off.
Normal temp, normal manure... seems to be walking ok...
Doesn't want to come to me and is acting depressed.
Its not as hot as yesterday... starting to get some break from the heat at night...
When I bring them up tonight, will halter him and bring him out for a good look over, give him some sheep pellets and probiotics.
Makes me wonder if one of the hunters or one of the hunters dogs have been messing with my sheep again.
There is zero possibility for a Vet to come out.. the only one is 2 1/2 hours away and I just can't afford it right now.
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Post by bergere on Aug 25, 2015 20:27:43 GMT
Gave him a dose of Probiotics, then some paste banamine. Put SWAT on his nose, in case the nose bot flies where bothering him. Fly sprayed him again... Hope he is doing better tomorrow morning.
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Post by Callie on Aug 25, 2015 23:32:55 GMT
I'd check for parasites also. They can drag a sheep down to lethergy quickly.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 26, 2015 1:57:00 GMT
Good idea to continue to monitor his temp. Pneumonia can be very sneaky. I use Banamine but only in the case of a fever or as an anti-inflammatory or pain reliever. It's hard on the kidneys so use sparingly and for as short a period of time as possible. Dosing is 1cc per 100 pounds once daily.
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Post by bergere on Aug 26, 2015 20:09:11 GMT
He was just de wormed with Ivermec sheep drench, I rotate between that and Valbazen. Fecals are clean, but not all worms will show up. The one thing I haven't done in over a year, is give them Corid. Will do that. Still normal temp, breathing fine... I don't have a stethoscope though.
There are a lot of deer here,,, hope it is not the start of meningeal worm. But if it was that, the Ivermec should of dealt with it.
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Post by bergere on Aug 27, 2015 13:11:43 GMT
Well, I talked to a few livestock owners and they are telling me West Nile Virus, is really bad right now. They have had a lot of problems, with their cattle. If that is the case, there is little I can do, but keep and eye on him.
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Post by bergere on Aug 27, 2015 14:30:52 GMT
He seems to be doing a little better today... gave him more probiotics. And now I am wondering... if one of the hunters weren't messing with the sheep again...just by the way he is acting.
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Post by bergere on Aug 28, 2015 10:07:22 GMT
And, yesterday he went from normal manure to flops. Gave him some Antibiotics and more probiotics..... see what that does. Might give him some pepto to get the flops under control. Once he starts feeling a little better, will treat them all with Corid, as I haven't done that in a long while and know its a problem here.
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Post by mollymckee on Aug 30, 2015 5:41:11 GMT
How is he doing now?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 31, 2015 1:57:30 GMT
He was just de wormed with Ivermec sheep drench, I rotate between that and Valbazen. Fecals are clean, but not all worms will show up. The one thing I haven't done in over a year, is give them Corid. Will do that. Still normal temp, breathing fine... I don't have a stethoscope though. There are a lot of deer here,,, hope it is not the start of meningeal worm. But if it was that, the Ivermec should of dealt with it. What I've been reading about meningeal worm is that ivomec isn't really effective if it hits the spine. That's about the only thing Safeguard is good for any more, at 10x the cattle dose. Are you seeing any neurological symptoms? Praying that he just got a bad bit of weed, and that he'll be up on his hooves in no time.
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Post by bergere on Aug 31, 2015 12:15:26 GMT
I am throwing everything I can do at him right now.... he is not worse but not improving like I want. Though, he is trying to run away from me, when I come out with meds. So that is a good sign. Antibiotics, probiotics, Sheep Nutri drench, and they are being treated with Corid.
That what I was afraid of Pony. I hope it isn't that.... he is slight unsteady with his back legs. His temp is 101.9, so basically normal.
Now have another sheep with flop, but having no other issues and two other horses in another pasture with a bit of the flop too. So, might be the hay, though all looks cleans and is well stored or the water, ok and the weeds have been a problem this year. Tons of extra rain makes it hard to keep up. The high heat and humidity this summer has been really hard on the animals and people.
Chickens also being treated with Corid as they were showing symptoms. Is a royal pain not having a ruminant Vet around.
In all the years of owning Livestock, I have never had so many issues as I have had this year.
My heart Mare Maggie, Vet finally figured out what was wrong, she has Cushings, IR and foundered because of it. Now on 3 meds and special feed. Another one of my Horses, has Cushings... Now all the other stuff.
Lots and lots of GMO grains, which are heavily sprayed. Makes me wonder... because in the PNW both WA and OR.... I never had issues like these.
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Post by here to stay on Aug 31, 2015 15:00:57 GMT
Could it be something in the fields that has surged because of wet or hot weather? Is it worth a pasture walk around?
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Post by bergere on Sept 1, 2015 10:21:24 GMT
There is nothing where he is now, been keeping him up,in the night pen. We had both very wet and super hot and humid weather from spring till now. Weeds have gone crazy, so its not impossible. With this heat, is impossible for me to keep up with all of it, taking care of the weeds that is. Know all the poisonous plants on the West Coast, here, I consider everything poisonous, as I slowly learn. Not impossible, there was something in the hay he ate.
Spend most of my time mowing with an ice pack on my back, and taking care of the animals, is all I can handle in this heat.
Finished up the last course of Antibiotic last night. Now I will keep up with the probiotics and drench.
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Post by bergere on Sept 2, 2015 14:30:03 GMT
Very wobbly in the back in this morning, did not want to get up. Has had a full course of Biomycin, Pepto and vitamin shots to start, changed over to sheep nutri drench and probiotics. Haven't given him any Banamine except for the first time. Gave him a double dose of that this morning. 10 minutes later, he is up walking around. So with what I am seeing, am pretty sure it is meningeal worm.... and one of my friends that has dealt with it in the past think that is most likely going on. She hasn't been able to save either the sheep or Alpaca's that ended up with it, even with her Vets help. Scary part for her, she does the meningeal worm preventive maintenance around her place. Personally have never dealt with this before... guess there is the first for everything.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Sept 2, 2015 16:59:32 GMT
Oh, not good - I'm sorry to hear this. I've been reading along with your posts, hoping things would turn around for Caspian. Is there any way to definitively diagnose this, short of necropsy after the fact? Still hoping he makes it.
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Post by bergere on Sept 2, 2015 20:08:33 GMT
Thanks. Only Vet that does them, only comes to this area every 3 to 4 weeks... not that I can afford her prices, coming 2 1/2 hours.
If he could make it another 3 weeks, could have the Sheep Vet out... her Farm call fee is in mid $300.00 plus what ever she would need to do, if she doesn't have more than 4 calls on the same trip... for a $150.00 Wether.
With loosing Sadie at a tune of $6,000 last year, then $2,000 Maggie (my wee heart horse) has racked up the last couple of months for her Cushings, IR and founder, plus her special feed, now Stjarna has Cushings... Dyfra's allergies to all things Virginia... I am totally tapped out. I really don't have the money, have a lot of human bills and all the stupid extra taxes this county charges people are due soon... and I have no idea how I am going to come up with the money. sigh ~~
Will keep up with the supporting care, see if he pulls through. That is all I can do for now.
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Post by motdaugrnds on Sept 3, 2015 1:43:15 GMT
Sorry to hear of your caspion. If it is meningeal worms, you need to treat it aggressively. The "wet" year I had those worms I lost 3 of my nice Nubians before I realized what it was and could treat aggressively. I saved my herd buck and the other doe that had those worms. I saved them by using both: Ivermectin at 3 cc per 100 lb (times 10 = 30cc) for 3 days along with the fenbenzadole (Safeguard or Panacur) at 2.3 cc (times 10 = 23 cc) per 100 lbs for 5 days...all orally.
The trick is to catch it FAST before those worms reach the neurological system.
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Post by bergere on Sept 3, 2015 17:42:57 GMT
I don't think I caught it fast enough. Having never personally dealt with it myself. They have all been slightly off because of the oppressive heat and humidity. Am around everyone twice a day. Finally saw him staggering in the back end, and started treating, Am sure they were already in his spine... now I am thinking, they have moved toward or into his brain.
Not sure why, but he is still alive. Still doing to supportive care, I keep hoping, he will start improving. If he shows no signs of getting better by Sunday, I will let him go.
Thank you for that information. I hope there isn't a next time with one of the others, but I will keep that, just in case.
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Post by bergere on Sept 3, 2015 17:55:34 GMT
And, reading up with what VA says about it in this area, they are now recommending to de worm your goats and sheep every 30 days, as they are seeing large numbers of deaths due to meningeal worms. You can't do fecals for them either. Once they get it, most don't make it. drats....
This is the first year, the white tail deer have figured out how to get into the big front pasture.
If we get a good winter, and cold enough to keep the ticks at bay, DH and DS will continue working on that fence line, and once clear enough, Hot wire the deer out of there.
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Post by bergere on Sept 4, 2015 0:10:56 GMT
Went out to put the poultry to bed and check on Caspian one more time... he finally passed on. Figured he would, since he was bleeding out his nose slowly... the Meningeal worms had gotten to his brain. Major sigh ~~
DH is taking Caspian out to the back 40 now. I knew he won't make it, though I kept hoping he would. If anything good came out from this, is I now know what to look for. Sad part of owning livestock and animals....
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 1:21:17 GMT
I am so sorry, beyond words.
Our Trub survived meningeal worm, but we bred her too soon. She only threw one kid this year, a large buckling that was beautiful and lived only a few days. Still unsure whether we'll breed her this year. She's 7 years old, but she's the first goat I ever had, so we will keep her no matter what.
OTOH, we are going to have to put down her daughter, Nomo, before breeding season. She had m.worm all through her pregnancy, and we didn't know it until 2 weeks before her due date. She couldn't hold her rear end up, and we had to keep her in the goat shed, moving her a few times a day, until she kidded out. She had three lovely kids, one of which died at birth(HUGE thryoid, probably defect due to m.worm). Took us 3 weeks to get her back on her feet. She still has quality of life, her coat has finally come in beautifully, but she is often wobbly in the rear. She'd never be able to stand to breed, let alone carry a pregnancy full term. We'll keep her as long as we can, but Trub is the only pet we'll hold on to.
ALL that to say that, now, we de-worm everyone monthly- goat, sheep, cow - prophylactically: safeguard one week (first week of the month), ivomec the following week.
The wet year and the increase in the white-tailed deer population have really worked against us. I don't want to lose another animal to that horrific parasite again.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 1:23:21 GMT
Forgot to ask, bergere, did you notice any lesions on Caspian's hide? Both my infected does had nasty skin lesions, looked like large abrasions. It's from those hideous worms working their way up to the spine.
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Post by bergere on Sept 4, 2015 10:00:22 GMT
Sorry you had to go through this too Pony. There were weird, not sure what to call it, weird long ...what ever they were along his back. But no blood on his back. Now putting everyone on the 30 day de worming schedule. I have never lived any where, where the there are so many aggressive nasty worms and diseases.
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Post by bergere on Sept 4, 2015 12:15:46 GMT
Poor Charming is looking for Caspian this morning. They were born, raised and lived together. Still have the old ewe, but its not quite the same. Will need another, as I don't know how old, the old ewe is.
Another sad part about Caspian, he was always the most healthy and hardy, until he got MW.
Want to get another wether hair sheep, but just don't have the money to pay $170 to $200 for a wether lamb... and an unregistered one at that. And, it would take 2 hours go get any where with sheep. sigh ~~
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2015 15:14:12 GMT
I wish you were living nearby. I'd set you up with a wether in a heartbeat. {hug} Coincidence: We lost a "Caspian" this year, too. A lovely new buck kid, less than a week old, floppy kid crash. We're not going to use that name again.
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Post by bergere on Sept 4, 2015 17:48:01 GMT
Thank you Pony! Very kind offer. Wish I lived closer too.
Sorry to hear you also lost a Caspian. Also retiring that name.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Sept 4, 2015 18:46:14 GMT
I'm so sorry, bergere. I was really hoping he'd make it.
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Post by bergere on Sept 4, 2015 19:30:54 GMT
Thank you MGM, I was hoping he would too.
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Post by mollymckee on Sept 5, 2015 5:27:55 GMT
I'm so sorry you lost him. i know how it hurts.
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Post by bergere on Sept 5, 2015 10:42:25 GMT
Thank you Molly!
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