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Post by Skandi on Jun 8, 2015 16:18:08 GMT
Right.. I found out today (monday) that we might have a tractor avaliable on Thursday.. We have the fence but not the posts at the moment. not sure how many we would need. Using 1.4m high urm 4'7"? woven wire. Ground is soggy normaly in winter it is WET, it's also lumpy bumpy and on a hill, (1/25) How many wooden posts are we likely to need for this? We have metal ones for inbetween already.  Red is full height field fence. Yellow is possibly cut down fencing. or maybe full height, but doesn't need to be full strength it's only to stop our dogs. Blue is gates.The plot is roughly 330ft square. The bottom fence, that changes colour half way, is not straight. I'm not sure how we deal with that? (and there will be a small gate in the bottom corner. I've just forgotton to put it on this drawing. Any glaring errors? and any estimates on posts needed, another thing that you can't see here, is the lower fence, cannot be reached by tractor, there's a realy steep drop of the right hand side road. about 12ft down. and just outside this fencing on the bottom and the right side, are ditches. |
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Post by Skandi on Jun 8, 2015 16:41:05 GMT
Sorry each side of that lopsided square is abut 330 ft So the longest run is 330 ft the rest are shorter. I have no idea what a T post is, what we have (which was used with the fence before) is metal tubes, that you then clip the wires onto. And how many wooden posts is what I want to know. obviously on the corners. but how many inbetween
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Post by Skandi on Jun 8, 2015 17:33:05 GMT
braces being the "legs" type things taking the strain on the corner posts? I say yes. his father says no. but his posts are in 10ft deep and I'm not convinced on digging holes that deep!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 18:39:50 GMT
How big are the metal tubes? How deep in the ground? what keeps the wire from sliding down on the tube? The ground is wet, are these tubes big enough so they do not lean over in the wet ground?. Normally we use 5 T posts, then 1 wood post in wet ground....James T post upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d3/Tpost1.jpg |
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Post by Skandi on Jun 8, 2015 19:18:55 GMT
They're 1" thick, and would be 2 ft down into the ground. I think, though I don't know, that the whole fences tension stops them sliding down? (the clip grips pretty tightly as well) They are what they use round here on this type of fence. not seen those X shaped posts. seen some V shaped ones. we have some of those as well they look just like angle iron. there's lots of stones in the soil here, so I'm hoping they'll help to stop everything moving.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 21:10:47 GMT
Shape of a T post. cdn2.hubspot.net/hub/10240/file-13063676-jpg/images/t_post_detail.jpg?t=1402343677374A 1" round post 2' deep will not take much to push over, in wet ground. T posts have a blade to help keep this from happening. Also the shape of the post anchors it in the ground. Even in wet ground, it will bend before just pushing over if blade is 6" under surface. 5-6" round wood posts keep that from happening. I like a 6" or bigger corner post, 5" H brace post and a 4-5" angle brace post plus brace wires both ways, especially in wet ground. I put my posts a rod apart (little more than 16') and use the heavy (133) T-posts. I would go 10' apart, on those little 1" pipe posts or light duty (101) posts....James |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2015 21:14:59 GMT
braces being the "legs" type things taking the strain on the corner posts? I say yes. his father says no. but his posts are in 10ft deep and I'm not convinced on digging holes that deep! If you don't build braces, you won't have a tight fence. I don't care if they are 10 ft in the ground, single posts will give even if it has to bend. Even power poles move and bend, that is why they have the ground anchors to hold them. I realy doubt you have anything to dig a post hole 10 ft deep any way. That takes some might specialized equipment. I built fence for 20 yrs for a living and have the latest equipment to dig holes and drive wood and T posts and doubt I would have anything to do that with. A 10 foot hole is one thing, but a 10 ft post hole is another. I can dig a 5 ft post hole 12" dia but the entire head of my hydraulic auger has to do below grade. You need to figure out how to build H braces and even a few double H braces on the longer runs if you want your fence to last. Even if you build single H braces you will need close to 75 wood posts on them alone. And what jawl10 says about the wood posts in between is a good rule of thumb. It depends on what you are fencing in or out. I have used a regular twist post hole digger to dig a well 22'. Just added more pipe to the handle, 4' at a time, work the same for a post hole....James |
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Post by Skandi on Jun 8, 2015 22:22:03 GMT
I have used a regular twist post hole digger to dig a well 22'. Just added more pipe to the handle, 4' at a time, work the same for a post hole....James I think I would rather avoid that! besides with the stones here we'd be bound to hit a big one before 10' deep. (stones up to car sized here) So what I'm reading here is a wooden (braced) post roughly every 50'? The fence won't have to hold anything in on a regular basis, we have electric on the inside, so unless that goes out nothing should test the fence. it's more for keeping deer out (we only have short deer btw.. none of those big things!) dogs in, and I don't like relying on electric alone, everyone else does round here, but it just seems stupid to me. especialy as you can see in the pic there's a trainline next door. It will have to stand some pretty impressive wind. and I don't want to have to redo it constantly. Hubbies dad (A dairy farmer) is coming over to help with the tractor. but since his horses were in the neighbours garden last week, and the cows get out at least once a year.. I want something a bit more secure, I value my neighbours goodwill, and don't want pigs ploughing their lawn! |
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Post by Bear Foot Farm on Jun 9, 2015 1:34:46 GMT
You'll need a post of some sort about every 10 feet, and wooden posts anywhere the elevation changes to hold the fence up or down as needed.
I suspect you will find 2 feet isn't deep enough to make a very sturdy fence
It will take 5-7 posts per corner, and about as many for any "line braces" as well.
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Post by paquebot on Jun 9, 2015 2:30:11 GMT
50' between heavy supporting posts is fine. We did a lot like that when transitioning from all wood posts to metal posts. They were what we called set posts since the holes were dug and heavy wooden posts set in. We went more like 100 feet spacing for them and then drove in T-posts every 20 feet just for support. Without the braced set posts, snow drifts or leaning animals could collapse a heavy woven wire fence. You may not have the T-posts that we have but I'll bet that you can get something similar from the Dutch.
Martin
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Post by Bear Foot Farm on Jun 9, 2015 10:37:25 GMT
I'd also make all the gates at least 12 ft wide so you can get equipment through them all without risking damage
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Post by Awnry Abe on Jun 10, 2015 3:09:17 GMT
One doesn't want to go too overboard on gates, because they are expensive and a point of weakness, but I would be inclined to add one, or at least a man ladder, over the bottom divider between the left and right sides.
And you you will definitely want one on that bottom edge of that is your property line.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 15:54:19 GMT
What do you plan on putting in the fenced area?
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Post by Skandi on Jun 14, 2015 17:39:17 GMT
What do you plan on putting in the fenced area? First Pigs. the plan is to have 2-3 and use electric to keep them in a small area, moving the area once they have murdered it. After I'm hoping for meat goats. IF it drains really nicely once the ditches and drains are sorted possibly sheep. Oh and chickens with occasional other fowl. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 30, 2015 3:53:43 GMT
Put full height Fence in, H Brace on Corners and along the Run. Might as well put in a Fence to hold Cattle while your going through the Trouble, not going to cost that much more.
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Post by here to stay on Jul 30, 2015 4:26:55 GMT
Pretty much each gate will need 2 wooden posts with a cross brace on each side, every corner will need at least 3 wooden posts with cross brace. But I have never seen woven wire fencing without set fence posts, either wood or metal, in between. I have seen high tensile or barbed wire or electric done that way.
I have a place where it is wet in the winter and a 2 ft hole to set wooden posts would not be likely to remain straight. 3 foot is the standard here.
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