Looking for opinions on "No climb" fencing

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Looking to put up 1200 feet of fencing as inexpensively as possible without having to repeat the process in a few years, lol. It seems that the no climb fencing is a woven wire fence which is strong and long lasting. I am looking at keeping lgd's in.

Any opinions, cheaper or better options? I can get a roll of 100 ft in 5 or 6 feet for either 210 or 235 respectively. I was told I can put this in with tposts and wood posts every 50 feet and corners etc.

Thank you in advance for advice.

used2bcool13

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[Bear Foot Farm]

I am looking at keeping lgd's in.



Any opinions, cheaper or better options?

Electric fence is the cheapest option and does a fine job of keeping most animal species contained

I used telephone poles for my corners, and set wooden 2-3" line posts 50 ft apart, without a need for any T-posts in between

I like 12.5 Ga aluminum wire, which is more expensive at first, but will NEVER rust and will carry far more voltage than steel

[wolfmom]

Apr 11, 2015 17:45:19 GMT Bear Foot Farm said:

I am looking at keeping lgd's in.
Any opinions, cheaper or better options?

Electric fence is the cheapest option and does a fine job of keeping most animal species contained

I used telephone poles for my corners, and set wooden 2-3" line posts 50 ft apart, without a need for any T-posts in between

I like 12.5 Ga aluminum wire, which is more expensive at first, but will NEVER rust and will carry far more voltage than steel

^^^^ This ^^^^  Although you can use other things that are less weighty than telephone poles for corners. 

I used woven wire (cheaper than non-climb) and T-posts on my 5 acre perimeter. ended up stringing electric fencing on the bottom and top anyway.

[Bear Foot Farm]

Although you can use other things that are less weighty than telephone poles for corners.

By using such large poles, I didn't have to add any additional bracing, since I cut them 8 ft long and put 4 ft in the ground

I bought them from a local utility company for $.35/ft, so they were also very cheap compared to other treated wood options

If I had rocky or hard clay soils, I might have used something different

[horseyrider]

I have no-climb. There are some really serious advantages to it that offset the cost. I can't tell you how many times I've had a tree blow over, or a big branch come down, and smash the fence. Yet every single time the span of fencing maintains its integrity, and all the critters stay in.

Years ago I had a client's horse that was pretty darn expensive in a paddock during her first days here. She took exception to the group in the next pen moving off, and she decided to go over. Although the fence got mangled, she didn't get get out of her pen. And she didn't have a scratch on her.

Just the other day, my yearling filly got herself cast right next to the fence. She wiggled and struggled, but still stayed calm. Her hind legs were coiled up close and she couldn't get herself rocked back enough to get to her feet. I had just put on the ropes to turn her and she gave one last big push with her hind legs against the fence, and got herself upright. I realized that, had she had any other kind of fence, she would have likely degloved her hind legs. That one single incident paid for every single dime I spent on that fence in the value of that filly.

I have pressure treated posts every eight feet, set in tamped gravel, with cemented in braced corners, and electric tape on the top. I opted for a professional installation because I knew they'd be faster. My old fence had to be removed and the new one set, and even with a crew of guys who do this every day, it took five days. My horses were locked in the barn. I can only imagine how long it would have taken me to do the same work. It's been in for twelve years, and the performance has been really exceptional. I'd do that one again in a heartbeat.

BTW, as a point of information: I don't know what kind of critters you have, but know that T posts can be rather hazardous with horses. I've seen several through the years (nothing of mine, but of neighbors or friends) that end up impaled on T posts. A couple get those ugly gaping chest wounds from which they can survive barring infection, but one neighbor's horse had a bucking/crowhopping fit and gave no heed to where he was going. It leaped on the fence and hit a T post, and died struggling like a bug on a pin. Even with the plastic caps, I try and stay away from them.

[Deleted]

Bear foot farm I agree with the electrifying and may end up doing something like that. I don't have access to telephone poles around here but they would be great.

Wolf Mom - what kind of woven wire did you use? Figuring out wire fencing that won't rust and is strong is a pain. I like the electrifying idea, here we have coyotes, bobcats and mountain lions and I am told that a mountain lion would just go right over an electric fence so don't bother.

Horseyrider - I don't have horses but like you said want a durable fence that can take wild animals trying to scale it without popping a weld. On the other hand we will probably be doing this ourselves and on a budget so we are trying to keep the costs as reasonable as possible.

[snoozy]

Apr 12, 2015 21:44:25 GMT horseyrider said:

I have no-climb. There are some really serious advantages to it that offset the cost. I can't tell you how many times I've had a tree blow over, or a big branch come down, and smash the fence. Yet every single time the span of fencing maintains its integrity, and all the critters stay in.

Years ago I had a client's horse that was pretty darn expensive in a paddock during her first days here. She took exception to the group in the next pen moving off, and she decided to go over. Although the fence got mangled, she didn't get get out of her pen. And she didn't have a scratch on her.

Just the other day, my yearling filly got herself cast right next to the fence. She wiggled and struggled, but still stayed calm. Her hind legs were coiled up close and she couldn't get herself rocked back enough to get to her feet. I had just put on the ropes to turn her and she gave one last big push with her hind legs against the fence, and got herself upright. I realized that, had she had any other kind of fence, she would have likely degloved her hind legs. That one single incident paid for every single dime I spent on that fence in the value of that filly.

I have pressure treated posts every eight feet, set in tamped gravel, with cemented in braced corners, and electric tape on the top. I opted for a professional installation because I knew they'd be faster. My old fence had to be removed and the new one set, and even with a crew of guys who do this every day, it took five days. My horses were locked in the barn. I can only imagine how long it would have taken me to do the same work. It's been in for twelve years, and the performance has been really exceptional. I'd do that one again in a heartbeat.

BTW, as a point of information: I don't know what kind of critters you have, but know that T posts can be rather hazardous with horses. I've seen several through the years (nothing of mine, but of neighbors or friends) that end up impaled on T posts. A couple get those ugly gaping chest wounds from which they can survive barring infection, but one neighbor's horse had a bucking/crowhopping fit and gave no heed to where he was going. It leaped on the fence and hit a T post, and died struggling like a bug on a pin. Even with the plastic caps, I try and stay away from them.

How long was the fence altogether and how much did it cost? (I realize prices will have changed in 12 years, but just to get an idea of how much having a professional fencing crew do such a job.)

[wolfmom]

Apr 13, 2015 0:00:29 GMT @used2bcool13 said:

Wolf Mom - what kind of woven wire did you use? Figuring out wire fencing that won't rust and is strong is a pain. I like the electrifying idea, here we have coyotes, bobcats and mountain lions and I am told that a mountain lion would just go right over an electric fence so don't bother.

Shoot- I just went to HD and got a few 300' rolls. I think my T-posts were every 15? ft.  You'll have saggy fencing if you put posts every 50 ft. Or am I reading your post wrong? Woven wire coupled electric fencing is your friend. 

BTW:  I used to own a riding stable and never had a horse act up the way they did in horseyrider's stories. 

[horseyrider]

Apr 14, 2015 15:22:33 GMT snoozy said:

Apr 12, 2015 21:44:25 GMT horseyrider said:

I have no-climb. There are some really serious advantages to it that offset the cost. I can't tell you how many times I've had a tree blow over, or a big branch come down, and smash the fence. Yet every single time the span of fencing maintains its integrity, and all the critters stay in.

Years ago I had a client's horse that was pretty darn expensive in a paddock during her first days here. She took exception to the group in the next pen moving off, and she decided to go over. Although the fence got mangled, she didn't get get out of her pen. And she didn't have a scratch on her.

Just the other day, my yearling filly got herself cast right next to the fence. She wiggled and struggled, but still stayed calm. Her hind legs were coiled up close and she couldn't get herself rocked back enough to get to her feet. I had just put on the ropes to turn her and she gave one last big push with her hind legs against the fence, and got herself upright. I realized that, had she had any other kind of fence, she would have likely degloved her hind legs. That one single incident paid for every single dime I spent on that fence in the value of that filly.

I have pressure treated posts every eight feet, set in tamped gravel, with cemented in braced corners, and electric tape on the top. I opted for a professional installation because I knew they'd be faster. My old fence had to be removed and the new one set, and even with a crew of guys who do this every day, it took five days. My horses were locked in the barn. I can only imagine how long it would have taken me to do the same work. It's been in for twelve years, and the performance has been really exceptional. I'd do that one again in a heartbeat.

BTW, as a point of information: I don't know what kind of critters you have, but know that T posts can be rather hazardous with horses. I've seen several through the years (nothing of mine, but of neighbors or friends) that end up impaled on T posts. A couple get those ugly gaping chest wounds from which they can survive barring infection, but one neighbor's horse had a bucking/crowhopping fit and gave no heed to where he was going. It leaped on the fence and hit a T post, and died struggling like a bug on a pin. Even with the plastic caps, I try and stay away from them.

How long was the fence altogether and how much did it cost? (I realize prices will have changed in 12 years, but just to get an idea of how much having a professional fencing crew do such a job.)

I have five paddocks on five acres.  There are seven gates of different lengths, two inch electric tape on the top, and some really awesome closures that will slam shut like a screen door.  No messing around with chains.  They're simple to handle with just one hand.

I think Possum is right about the installation.  Wherever the roll ends or the fenceline ends, it has to be stapled, folded back, and stapled again to secure the loose bit from pulling back through.  That's a lot of stretching and tacking, but from the customer's point of view, well worth the extra labor in a safe and secure fence.  Even the smallest horse hoof from the littlest foal does not go through.  I would guess that his guestimate of $15 a foot is likely accurate.  They took out my old fence and some trees that were in their way, too.  The total cost had me darn near sitting in the corner with my eyes rolling back in my head with a string of drool forming, but it has more than paid for itself in pure safety.

[horseyrider]

Apr 14, 2015 20:06:57 GMT wolfmom said:

Apr 13, 2015 0:00:29 GMT @used2bcool13 said:

Wolf Mom - what kind of woven wire did you use? Figuring out wire fencing that won't rust and is strong is a pain. I like the electrifying idea, here we have coyotes, bobcats and mountain lions and I am told that a mountain lion would just go right over an electric fence so don't bother.

Shoot- I just went to HD and got a few 300' rolls. I think my T-posts were every 15? ft.  You'll have saggy fencing if you put posts every 50 ft. Or am I reading your post wrong? Woven wire coupled electric fencing is your friend. 

BTW:  I used to own a riding stable and never had a horse act up the way they did in horseyrider's stories. 

Wolfmom, I'd say then that you were very lucky.

[horseyrider]

Apr 15, 2015 2:04:18 GMT Possum said:

Apr 15, 2015 1:54:21 GMT horseyrider said:

I have five paddocks on five acres.  There are seven gates of different lengths, two inch electric tape on the top, and some really awesome closures that will slam shut like a screen door.  No messing around with chains.  They're simple to handle with just one hand.

I think Possum is right about the installation.  Wherever the roll ends or the fenceline ends, it has to be stapled, folded back, and stapled again to secure the loose bit from pulling back through.  That's a lot of stretching and tacking, but from the customer's point of view, well worth the extra labor in a safe and secure fence.  Even the smallest horse hoof from the littlest foal does not go through.  I would guess that his guestimate of $15 a foot is likely accurate.  They took out my old fence and some trees that were in their way, too.  The total cost had me darn near sitting in the corner with my eyes rolling back in my head with a string of drool forming, but it has more than paid for itself in pure safety.

Horseyrider, what should be done when starting and stopping this type or any type of woven wire is, you need to carefully cut out ALL vertical wire at the end so you can wrap the horizontal wire back to itself after wrapping it and stapling it around the post. Even if you staple and bend it over and staple again, staples pull out. I am not saying you are wrong, but I am saying my way, is much stronger.

Possum, I think you just described it better than I did.  What you describe is what I have.  After twelve years I have no problems with the strength.  It looks almost as good as the day it was finished.  Falling trees have a way of really testing things. 

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Thanks for all of the advice. We went with the 5 foot no climb horse fence. 200 ft done, 1000 to go, lol.