tractorgrl
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Post by tractorgrl on Jun 12, 2017 17:29:24 GMT
Hello All!
I have not had much time to contribute or even read, but I'm having a bit of an issue this morning with a bloated goat.
This morning I found her standing and frothing at the mouth with a bit of a distended abdomen. She was reluctant to move, but she wasn't down. It looked like she was chewing cud, but I think she was teeth grinding. I drenched her with some baking soda water and massaged the rumen. I got her to release some gas and the frothing seemed to stop. Checked back on her 30 min. later and she was frothing again. Gave some more baking soda and more massage, she released more gas. Checked on her again about an hour later and again, more froth. Gave peanut oil and more massage and again she released more gas. I've been out to check on her a few times, massaging a bit each time I go out and I can usually get her to burp. The frothing seems to have stopped since I gave the oil. I've also walked her around the yard a bit and she defecated. I'm not sure if she is releasing the gas on her own or only while I am massaging. She is laying down and standing up and moving around when I encourage her to, but she is a bit listless. Temp is normal and eyes look good (they were a bit watery early this morning, seem to have cleared.)
Do I just keep massaging? Giving baking soda and/or oil?
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tractorgrl
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Post by tractorgrl on Jun 12, 2017 18:24:14 GMT
With frothy bloat, you are supposed to use a surfactant. Tide used to be recommended but they've changed formulas so i don't think it is anymore. I would use oil in that case, which you did. At this time I would watch closely and try to keep her up and moving. Try standing her with her front elevated to encourage burping. I wouldn't give more oil unless you feel its needed. Too much of that can cause its own problems. If she's pooped, that is good! Try and get her to do some more. I would also lock her up and put her on a bread and water diet, or in her case, grass hay and water. Do this for a few days til her poo and rumen seems to be back to normal. Then reintroduce slowly to normal pasture or hay. NO grain til completely back to normal, then start slow. Is she cudding? Has she pooped more? Can you hear rumen sounds? She is chewing like she's cudding, but no actual cud. This morning she was loudly grinding her teeth, now her mouth is moving like she's cudding not the loud grinding. I haven't noticed where she has pooped more, but I am starting to hear more rumen sounds. I just did some more massage and had her out for a stroll around the yard. Towards the end she wasn't interesting in being led around and walking, but was standing. |
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Post by tractorgrl on Jun 12, 2017 18:34:36 GMT
That sounds promising! I'm guessing she's not interested in eating? Still burping? Anything from the other end, gaswise? No interest in eating, I'm guessing that is why there's no cud? Still burping with the massage and walking, not much coming from the other end. She coughed a couple of times while I was massaging and she did get gas out of both ends then. I guess I will keep periodically massaging and encouraging her to move. The past couple of times I've checked on her she has been laying down, but does get up when I encourage her to. I feel bad for the girl, it is HOT here today. Should I try baking soda again at some point or more just encourage movement and massage? |
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Post by tractorgrl on Jun 12, 2017 19:12:19 GMT
I would offer baking soda, but not force it. As long as she is not frothing, is burping and seems OK, I wouldn't force anything on her. I would encourage her to eat grass hay but wouldn't push that yet either. Definitely watch for any signs of going downhill but as long as she is holding her own or improving I'd stick with what you're doing. Do you have B vitamins on hand if it becomes necessary to try to stimulate her appetite? As she improves,she should start eating a bit on her own, but you never know with animals! Yes, we do! Thank you for the advice and encouragement, I'll update on how she is doing. |
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Post by here to stay on Jun 12, 2017 21:11:44 GMT
If you don't have Bloat Release, then some simethicone or something with simethicone in it like Gas X or Malox with Gas Relief. If it looks desperate then i've heard that Jet Dry will eork but i've never dried it.
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Post by Bear Foot Farm on Jun 13, 2017 9:33:50 GMT
Baking Soda works better for Acidosis from eating too much grain.
Plain vegetable oil is best for bloat.
Gas X will work, but I'd still give the oil in case there is some blockage also.
I wouldn't give anything you wouldn't eat yourself
Is she on a pasture in the early mornings?
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Post by shellymay on Jun 13, 2017 13:41:52 GMT
With frothy bloat, you are supposed to use a surfactant. Tide used to be recommended but they've changed formulas so i don't think it is anymore. I would use oil in that case, which you did. Tide powder is what a friend of mine uses, not liquid......have they changed the powder?
tractorgrl, Hope she is on her way to recovery, if it is hot there I was curious if she is drinking?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 13, 2017 17:09:30 GMT
I have no answers, but I am impressed with the balance of the post subject!
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Post by countrymom22 on Jun 14, 2017 23:24:40 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 19, 2017 17:44:14 GMT
Sorry to be seeing this so late, but here's the best advice a veteran of a few bloats can give:
The grinding without cudding is due to pain. Is she also yawning? If you have banamine, dose her with that for pain. If not, give her aspirin.
Mix charcoal with the oil when you drench her with that.
6 cc Thiamine injection.
If you have tetanus antitoxin (NOT the vaccine) dose her with that as well. 12 cc daily.
Keep her moving. If she refuses to walk, keep her upright with a hay/straw bale on each side of her.
If you have Lactated Ringer's, give it to her sub-q. If she's a large breed, 50cc on each side. Smaller breed, start 20 each side.
I hope your girl is still with you.
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Post by tractorgrl on Nov 24, 2017 16:17:34 GMT
I'm so sorry I posted my issues and then disappeared. So throughout the day she seemed to be getting slightly better, moving around more, not as listless. That evening I went out to bed everyone down and she was on the ground stiff as a board, I thought she was pretty much dead. Was able to get her back on her feet and got the vet to come out. He didn't think she was bloating at that time, but when I told him her symptoms from earlier in the day agreed that she probably was then. He actually thought her symptoms matched hardware disease, but had never seen hardware disease in a goat and thought that would have been very unusual. His best guess was that she got into some kind of toxic plant. So yeah, I pretty much called out (and paid) the vet just to give my goat some activated charcoal  She was back to her usual bossy self by the next morning  |
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Post by here to stay on Nov 24, 2017 17:04:03 GMT
Re: bloat. It can do in a goat so fast, that one thing I always have on hand is Bloat Release. It is only good for one type of bloat but it is the most common type. It can be duplicated by a homemade recipe but is so cheap, I just add a bottle to another order to have on hand.
It does go bad- the oil can to rancid- so I usually buy a new bottle each year. I've only needed it once for sure and used it once when I thought it might be a problem but I was very glad to be able to put my hands on it immediately when it was needed.
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Post by mogal on Jan 11, 2018 22:26:56 GMT
After oil, I always give a good dose of Probios to be sure the rumen has enough microorganisms to work properly. Plain yogurt will work as a Probios substitute but not quite the broad range of good "bugs." I also administer injectible B vitamins to stimulate their appetites. My goats don't object to small treats like apple peels when they are not eating properly.
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Post by dustawaits on Jan 12, 2018 17:33:01 GMT
So many different kinds of bloat. Went to a show one time with a trailer load.
Got there and one of the does had bloat big time . Although we kept gas-x on
hand , we had given our last capsule to someone for their goat. There was none
to be had on the show ground. Some one ( not a goat owner) suggested 7 up.
I got a can, she eagerly drank it and about exploded! All the gas and a lot of the 7 up
came out her mouth! The bloat was gone but she missed the show anyway.
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