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Post by here to stay on Oct 13, 2017 21:59:07 GMT
www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/10/13/extreme-horse-breeding-leaves-animals-looking-like-cartoons/This article questions whether the breeding that lead to a goal with an extremely 'dished' face has gone too far. The thought is that the reduction in the nasal cavity in this colt can not do otherwise than limit his breathing. I would worry more about his molar alignment but then I've got teeth on my brain at the moment. I think that it is a poor direction to breed towards, it must be noted that is a real baby. A 2017 foal no matter how fussed over he was to get pictures. His face will straighten as he matures. These arab people are Hollywood fantasy creators at best. orrionfarms.com/our-horses/el-rey-magnum-rcf. Yup the whole world has been waiting for this colt.... I agree with the ridiculous breeding that goes on to win at a show. A man brought his english bulldog into the car shop and dang that dog had such a pushed in face . She made noise breathing just laying down. And the fur on her face looked like it would run her eyes. But this foal is not there. Yet.
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Post by Skandi on Oct 13, 2017 23:20:52 GMT
It looks freaky to me but as you say, he may grow out/into it a bit. I've never particularly liked the dished look but I guess it (the normal version) is better than a roman nose.
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Post by Woodpecker on Oct 14, 2017 0:59:06 GMT
I feel for those horses. He looks thin, unhealthy and strange, indeed. It's not right.
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Post by here to stay on Oct 14, 2017 1:16:55 GMT
He's a baby. They just trimmed his foal fuzz to the skin and oiled him up to take pictures.
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Post by aoconnor on Oct 16, 2017 1:12:15 GMT
I personally don't like the look at all. I have no issue with a dished face, but this poor colt looks disfigured in my opinion. Just my opinion though. And good luck getting a halter or bridle to fit correctly without a lot of alteration.
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Post by horseyrider on Oct 17, 2017 11:44:30 GMT
I personally don't like the look at all. I have no issue with a dished face, but this poor colt looks disfigured in my opinion. Just my opinion though. And good luck getting a halter or bridle to fit correctly without a lot of alteration.
I have to agree with this. And it's easy to see how this happens. This is a horse that is bred for halter. The Arabian horse show people value the mitbah and jibbah (throatlatch and bulge in the forehead) and dishy profile highly. I've seen horses with short hips and soggy toplines place over better made horses because they have this extreme head and neck.
Horse judging is an inherently comparative activity. One fine horse has a dishy face, but another one is dishier. And this one, well by golly, is the dishiest of all. By that process, and with so many horses who want to be first, breeding and showing becomes a process not of excellence, but of exaggeration.
Just look at the modern Western Pleasure horse in the stock horse industry, particularly the Quarter Horse world. What was originally supposed to be a slow, easy trot to ride all day, became slower, slower, and now the slowest shuffle ever, toes kicking dirt and tripping a distinct possibility if the animal is on real terrain. It's become a mechanical lope that is often not a true three beat gait with loft and suspension, and would take a cowboy forever to do a day's work. But rather than address this artificial headset and impure gaits, a new division was formed: Ranch Horse.
Not excellence. Exaggeration.
I remember a quote from my Horse Bowl coaching days: "The road to civilization is strewn with the bones of the horse."
We like to imagine ourselves as civilized, but we still exploit them.
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Post by horseyrider on Oct 17, 2017 13:35:38 GMT
Oh, kick me hard. I went out to do chores after posting the above, and cannot for the life of me remember the name for the dish in the profile of the head.
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Post by aoconnor on Oct 17, 2017 18:34:58 GMT
I personally don't like the look at all. I have no issue with a dished face, but this poor colt looks disfigured in my opinion. Just my opinion though. And good luck getting a halter or bridle to fit correctly without a lot of alteration.
I have to agree with this. And it's easy to see how this happens. This is a horse that is bred for halter. The Arabian horse show people value the mitbah and jibbah (throatlatch and bulge in the forehead) and dishy profile highly. I've seen horses with short hips and soggy toplines place over better made horses because they have this extreme head and neck.
Horse judging is an inherently comparative activity. One fine horse has a dishy face, but another one is dishier. And this one, well by golly, is the dishiest of all. By that process, and with so many horses who want to be first, breeding and showing becomes a process not of excellence, but of exaggeration.
Just look at the modern Western Pleasure horse in the stock horse industry, particularly the Quarter Horse world. What was originally supposed to be a slow, easy trot to ride all day, became slower, slower, and now the slowest shuffle ever, toes kicking dirt and tripping a distinct possibility if the animal is on real terrain. It's become a mechanical lope that is often not a true three beat gait with loft and suspension, and would take a cowboy forever to do a day's work. But rather than address this artificial headset and impure gaits, a new division was formed: Ranch Horse.
Not excellence. Exaggeration.
I remember a quote from my Horse Bowl coaching days: "The road to civilization is strewn with the bones of the horse."
We like to imagine ourselves as civilized, but we still exploit them.
Oh yes, I totally agree about the Western Pleasure as it is today. How silly, those are such un-natural gaits, and the headset causes neck issues long term. I am in some of the western ranch versatility stuff, we ride our horses like you would out on the ranch. I love it! |
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Post by Ken on Oct 17, 2017 20:25:24 GMT
Looks like that article has a dataset of 1 horse. Perhaps that animal just has a birth defect and they are blowing it up into a story about extreme breeding?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 0:34:02 GMT
I had a horse once that had big ears. I liked him okay because he could run pretty good in the arenas. Even with that I sold him away because I was young and dumb and folks I rode with kept poking fun at me about his ears. That plus his name was Jack.
This colt in question is about grotesque to my untrained eye. I hope he gets along okay. As well I hope all the miniature horses I see around do too. They're making them as small almost as one can imagine a horse ever could become.
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Post by aoconnor on Oct 18, 2017 12:50:35 GMT
Looks like that article has a dataset of 1 horse. Perhaps that animal just has a birth defect and they are blowing it up into a story about extreme breeding? Sadly that is not the case. I am a rancher and horsewoman, and I see things daily that just anger me in general, but that colt is deformed in my view and it makes me so sick and angry to see what is being done to these beautiful animals. Just like the huge Halter bred horses who have such tiny little feet and fetlocks that they have multiple issues later in their lives...after the showing comes the long term care of these animals, and that care falls to those of us who take them in and doctor them until the day they die. That being said, I am all for breeding a superior stallion to a superior mare and having a superior foal. Sadly, that is generally not the case in any of the big show breeds. They breed to have 4 legs and blue ribbon, seldom concerned about the long term effects of their unscrupulous breeding practices. Where I live, there are probably 4-5 thousand recipient mares carrying the offspring of every big name stallion and winning mare int eh QH world. All carrying babies that are only hopefully going to do what the breeders want. |
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Post by here to stay on Oct 19, 2017 1:03:40 GMT
If you click on the link about their horses on the farm website, it gives pictures of their stock including the foal's dam. I think when he grows up, he's going to have a head just like her's.
It definitely seems an Arab farm's tendency to gush to excess over their horses and this one is no exception. They describe this colt as the one the world is waiting for.
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Post by horseyrider on Oct 19, 2017 14:06:35 GMT
Looks like that article has a dataset of 1 horse. Perhaps that animal just has a birth defect and they are blowing it up into a story about extreme breeding?
I wish this was true. Unfortunately, I remember a similar stir some years back about a gray mare with the same head. If I remember right, she was halter, straight Egyptian lines, and her name started with a P. But I tend to want to get rid of such information in my head because it saddens me so much.
IMO, this goes in the breeding scrap pile with other fads like tiny feet, super straight shoulders, straight hocks, and double muscling.
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