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Post by kawaiitimes on Apr 24, 2015 0:10:13 GMT
Source: www.yahoo.com/autos/s/gm-ford-others-want-working-own-car-illegal-160000229.htmlThis infuriates me. I don't work on my own car much any more, but I used to. A LOT. Some day, when I have some extra jingle in my pocket, I'd like to get a new car. I've never owned a brand new car. But if this Digital Millennium Copyright Act (DMCA) gets passed, I guess I'll just never buy new. This thing infuriates me more than it probably should, but man it has made me hot under the collar. |
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Post by hermitjohn on Apr 24, 2015 1:24:00 GMT
Thing some smart attorney would then do, is make the new car companies perpetually responsible for all repairs for free, since the car in in effect perpetually rented. The car companies in turn would limit number of miles any car could legally be driven, so you would have to "rent" a new car at that point. For an ever higher price of course. Only the rich could drive or rather could afford mandatory self driving car since humans cant be trusted to drive their own car.
Of course old cars would be forbidden to be driven on hiway, they could be used off road only or more likely just displayed.
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Post by claytonpiano on Apr 24, 2015 1:24:26 GMT
Groan! I just read this article. What a ridiculous law!
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Post by Bear Foot Farm on Apr 24, 2015 1:27:05 GMT
Realistically, this only keeps you from altering the computer programming, and doesn't stop anyone doing purely mechanical work
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 4:09:08 GMT
All those years of advanced education and that is the best argument that the lawyers and bigwigs at John Deere can come up with?
I would love to be the judge to whom that argument is presented. The lawyers would be embarrassed by the amount of laughing that I would do.
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Post by kawaiitimes on Apr 24, 2015 4:48:41 GMT
Realistically, this only keeps you from altering the computer programming, and doesn't stop anyone doing purely mechanical work Except that it can be argued with newer vehicles that all systems are tied into the on-board computer, and therefore are all a part of the "do not touch" rule. Our friends have a brand new car and virtually every component is tied to the on board computer - even the gas cap. If the gas cap isn't tightened all the way, they get a computer error that can only be cleared by the dealer, or someone who has the equipment to do it. The issue happens to them so often that they purchased the computer clear-out doohickey machine so that they didn't have to go back to the dealer every time they got their gas filled. (Simple solution would be for them to figure out how to put the gas cap in all the way, but it's illegal to pump your own gas here and apparently they frequently run into gas station attendants who don't get it fully secured.) In the end, it's all in the verbage of the Act, the way the lawyers interpret it, and the way that the judges enforce it. Regardless, it rubs me the wrong way. |
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Post by Bear Foot Farm on Apr 24, 2015 5:47:25 GMT
I guess anything could be argued
I don't see this becoming a big issue considering the majority do few repairs to their vehicles at all, and lots of people will be fighting such legislation
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Post by Ken on Apr 24, 2015 15:18:02 GMT
... but it's illegal to pump your own gas here ... I had to look this up to see if you were joking. Strange. Good thing I haven't been to Oregon. At the first fillup I would been like "what the heck are you doing? get away from my car!"  Are the attendants responsible for any scratches, etc? |
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Post by kawaiitimes on Apr 24, 2015 15:29:32 GMT
... but it's illegal to pump your own gas here ... I had to look this up to see if you were joking. Strange. Good thing I haven't been to Oregon. At the first fillup I would been like "what the heck are you doing? get away from my car!" Are the attendants responsible for any scratches, etc? Noooope. The only consumers who have any leeway are motorcycle drivers. When I had my motorcycle young attendants were so afraid of trying to fill it (the nozzle doesn't just sit there like on a car) that they'll let you "help". |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2015 15:34:47 GMT
... but it's illegal to pump your own gas here ... I had to look this up to see if you were joking. Strange. Good thing I haven't been to Oregon. At the first fillup I would been like "what the heck are you doing? get away from my car!" Are the attendants responsible for any scratches, etc?
New Jersey is another state that comes to mind where Joe/Jane Q. Public cannot legally pump his/her own gas. I am not sure if there are any others.
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Post by mjslady on Apr 24, 2015 17:12:19 GMT
To an extent they already do this.
MY Beloved has been trying to get some one to disable the security system in his truck because it keeps malfunctioning and refusing to start the truck.
It is a pain to have to sit for 12 minutes to retry and resetting it every month is also a pain.
All the mechanics say they are not allowed to turn it off, only the dealer can... ummm yeah so they can charge more to do it than is possibly reasonable and btw you need to replace....
Been to the dealer once for them to look at a simple thing, did not want it fixed, for 5 minutes work they charged $85... no thanks!
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Post by 1shotwade on Apr 25, 2015 0:25:20 GMT
Girl,give up on the "new car" idea! It's not what it's cracked up to be. I always felt cheated because i could never afford a new truck. When it came down to it I got in an s-10 for less than $100 a month because of the fuel economy over the full size i had been driving.Absolutely nothing breaks until 3000 mile out of warranty then watch out!I kept it for years and replaced many parts and every one was aftermarket and out lasted and out performed the ome!Then you're going to have to do the "full coverage" thing if there is a loan on it."bout half the time as soon as you get that new ride someone will crunch it for ya at a stop sign or something.
You'd be way ahead to rent one for a month and get that out of your system then put all that extra coin toward an old classic that is going back up in value.Some insurance companies have great deals for these classic cars "if they remain in original condition" as in no alterations.
Just a thought.
Wade
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Post by mjslady on Apr 25, 2015 2:33:14 GMT
Both our trucks are 2000 models, and I would not trade them for anything.
On mine we have replaced the radiator, 2xs and the tranny once.
She runs like a dream and no payments!
MJ's silverado has only had the fuel pump replaced and runs great, also no payments.
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Post by kawaiitimes on Apr 25, 2015 5:02:18 GMT
We currently have three vehicles, all paid for in full. A '94 Suburban, a '03 Mitsubishi Outlander (which I am SO happy that we are going to sell) and an '05 Toyota Matrix. It is nice to not have a payment, agreed. I have just always had used and hand-me-down everything... it is a nice feeling when I am able to purchase something brand new and have it just be mine. I love cars, and it has been my dream since driving my Mom's hand-me-down '90 GEO Metro to have a brand new car.
The way that technology has overtaken the modern day vehicle is a big turn off now though. It's been creeping in over the last decade and is slowly taking over. I don't like it. I don't want my vehicle to have satellite GPS and built in WiFi. I CERTAINLY don't want a touch screen in my dash and auto-pilot driving.
I feel a bit like putting on a tinfoil hat with all of the vehicle stuff, but driving is already such a departure from the joy I had when I was younger and drivers were less distracted. There was a lot more time to enjoy the drive without having to be on the lookout for someone fiddling with their phone / GPS / on board computer.
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Post by Skandi on Apr 25, 2015 9:03:55 GMT
I had to look this up to see if you were joking. Strange. Good thing I haven't been to Oregon. At the first fillup I would been like "what the heck are you doing? get away from my car!" Are the attendants responsible for any scratches, etc?
New Jersey is another state that comes to mind where Joe/Jane Q. Public cannot legally pump his/her own gas. I am not sure if there are any others.
HA HA well here you'ld be hard pushed to find a station that even has a shop or an attendant at all. they're all selfservice, with card payment. so there actually isn't an employee on the site at all. (this annoys me by the way, I'm used to british ones, selfservice but with a shop and a real person, so at least one person is getting paid!) |
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Post by farmchix on Apr 25, 2015 10:05:36 GMT
I saw this on our local news. Another cRaZy law.....violating copyright by working on your own car.....groan.
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