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Post by feather on Jul 25, 2019 16:45:20 GMT
DH comes home this morning from metal detecting and shopping and our neighbor, I'll call him John, gets off his tractor and comes over to DH to talk. John is a nice guy, really, honestly, a good guy.
He says he's having trouble with rabbits and chipmunks in his garden. (did I mention our 11 plantings of beans chewed off to you?) DH says he should kill them. John can't, he's a nice guy.
He traps them and then relocates them. That's right we are killers and he is the nice guy.
He does this without permission of the person where he relocates them. DH says, this is a possible liability problem and he probably shouldn't relocate them.
UGH. I wish they'd never talked.
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Post by Use Less on Jul 25, 2019 17:33:02 GMT
In NYS it is illegal for citizens to relocate pretty much any wild animal. People with licenses can trap and remove nuisance critters. They are allowed to relocate some, but under guidelines.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 25, 2019 17:34:03 GMT
Varmints like rabbits should be relocated - to the stewpot!
Chipmunks? Too little to eat or even bother trying to feed out to the dogs and cats. They can be relocated to the compost heap, though. They break down quickly.
I face similar frustration with a dear friend who will pen up her chickens 24/7 to protect them from a varmint, rather than sending the varmint on its way to Camp Kenmore or Camp Compost.
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Post by feather on Jul 25, 2019 17:39:48 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's illegal here too. Nothing nice can come from telling your neighbor they are doing illegal things.
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Post by Tim Horton on Jul 25, 2019 23:15:01 GMT
Unfortunately... Most of the time when people relocate animals like this, the animal beats them home....
There can be consequences. For instance a rabbit can be a game animal, some other animals can be considered a fur bearer. There are allowances to deal with either when they are destructive. This process usually does not include relocation.
Rarely there are professional relocation options. On these few occasions they usually are a quite expensive process.
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Post by Bear Foot Farm on Jul 26, 2019 0:38:38 GMT
I'm pretty sure it's illegal here too. Nothing nice can come from telling your neighbor they are doing illegal things. Tell him you're trying to keep him from getting in trouble. It's not your fault it's illegal.
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Post by feather on Jul 26, 2019 1:23:19 GMT
I guess it is needless for me to say, DH is a trapper for 50 years now. He's worked in nuisance control too. Usually visits a fur buyer each fall/winter. Muskrats in the past few years.
There's not a good market for rabbits or chipmunk furs, though I fondly remember a rabbit fur hat, grandma made for me, with 2 big white pom poms on the strings.
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Post by Melissa on Jul 26, 2019 2:06:19 GMT
Hopefully he is not relocating them nearby and they are coming to your garden!!!
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Post by feather on Jul 26, 2019 2:43:01 GMT
Hopefully he is not relocating them nearby and they are coming to your garden!!! It sure makes a person wonder about just that. He is relocating them within a mile. He says it is a natural game preserve, but it's not.
There is almost a generation between John and us, so, we can't actually TELL him anything, we are oldsters that are his youngsters.
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Post by feather on Jul 27, 2019 1:12:29 GMT
Last night at 1 something dark, DH chased off a couple raccoons, then later in the am, two more of something, we don't know what particularly. All that could be seen were the eyes reflected by the flashlight. The raccoons were hanging out at the not quite ripe blackberry vines restaurant. Tonight, the live traps went out, with marshmallows and peanut butter. 4 traps. I'm guessing the morning will be interesting.
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Post by feather on Jul 28, 2019 15:07:36 GMT
RIP raccoon.
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Post by feather on Jul 29, 2019 14:22:23 GMT
RIP raccoon 2. RIP raccoon 3.
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Post by Maura on Jul 29, 2019 17:10:03 GMT
Wow! Three in one batch! Is he going to skin them? I understand raccoon is tasty.
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Post by feather on Jul 29, 2019 17:22:12 GMT
Maura, wrong season for eating or skinning. They were all subprime furs. Then we run out and some of our beans AGAIN are eaten off. And there are the culprits. They relocated themselves.
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Post by midtnmama on Jul 30, 2019 2:07:12 GMT
I guess it is needless for me to say, DH is a trapper for 50 years now. He's worked in nuisance control too. Usually visits a fur buyer each fall/winter. Muskrats in the past few years. There's not a good market for rabbits or chipmunk furs, though I fondly remember a rabbit fur hat, grandma made for me, with 2 big white pom poms on the strings. Oooh! You brought back fond memories of a white rabbit muff (that was a tube you put your hands in to keep them warm) and hat when I was four or five.
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Post by feather on Jul 30, 2019 2:17:19 GMT
midtnmama, It was so fun seeing those little fawns today, even though they were eating our stuff.
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Post by midtnmama on Jul 30, 2019 2:29:55 GMT
midtnmama , It was so fun seeing those little fawns today, even though they were eating our stuff. That's it! That's freaky! Were you there?? Haha.
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Post by feather on Jul 30, 2019 2:37:02 GMT
midtnmama, I didn't have the muff, or maybe at that age, I don't remember now. I wish I knew what happened to my hat. I used to love to rub my fingers through the fur. I think I might have been there in '64. ha ha.
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Post by feather on Jul 30, 2019 15:51:23 GMT
Nothing so far today day 4. day 1: nothing day 2: 1 raccoon day 3: 2 raccoons and we saw the 2 fawns again day 4: nothing We have large rat-type traps for the chipmunks that are unearthing our potted plants but so far, nothing. There was a little rabbit running around this morning and we haven't had to dispose of any this week.
Edit: Saw a little pale red fox early afternoon.
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Post by feather on Jul 31, 2019 11:34:20 GMT
Day 5: we got up early to raccoon noise. 1 raccoon eating beans trap 1 near the blackberries, empty. trap 2 near the west beans, one raccoon. trap 3 near the west beans, one raccoon. trap 4 near the east beans, two raccoons. That's 5 raccoons this morning. Me: isn't it kind of a fluke that there are 2 raccoons in one trap? DH: no, I've had up to 4 if they are small enough, raccoons and skunks, in one trap. They must have really liked the marshmallows. If they aren't very big it takes more weight, more animals, to stand on the metal that closes the door. Me: I didn't know. Pictures to follow after my coffee. Raccoon that wasn't in a trap. Raccoon in a trap.
Raccoon in another trap.
Two raccoons in a trap.
A tough morning. 5 raccoons. No wonder we had to plant beans 11 times and we probably won't get enough to can this year. We both thought we were done with raccoons yesterday, now we'll leave them for at least another week.
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Post by feather on Aug 1, 2019 14:11:13 GMT
Day 6: 2 more raccoons in traps, both of these were big and aggressive. That makes 10 raccoons.
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Post by gran29 on Aug 1, 2019 15:34:20 GMT
feather,That many racoons can destroy your hard earned garden in a hurry! We've trapped 3 this year going after our sweet corn and cantalope. If they just ate one and left ok but they pull dozens, eat some and move to the next. Grrr - cute little guys but they need to move on!
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Post by feather on Aug 1, 2019 15:42:35 GMT
gran29, it looks like they have moved on, to our gardens, from everywhere. They are cute. I wonder how long this will take, for us to thin them out enough so we are not suffering the loss of our garden produce.
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Post by mogal on Aug 1, 2019 19:17:28 GMT
They always know the day before you plan to pick your sweet corn and hit it the night before! So sorry for all these losses!
Do you live in an area where you could put up electric fence or better yet, electric netting that's more secure? We have only had one raccoon in the yard, maybe 3 acres, since we've been here but loads of possums. The Pyrs make them play dead long enough for us to get out there so that we can make them really dead. Rabbits are a real pain for us, girdling fruit trees and such.
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Post by feather on Aug 1, 2019 19:32:27 GMT
mogal, thanks, we have wire fence around all our young trees, summer and winter. We wrap them with a paper cardboard type tape in late fall and put the fence back around them. We just have one acre, and so do the 37 other people connected in our neighborhood, and a swamp, and across the road in two directions we have farm fields, with, you guessed it, corn. We have 5 gardens. So the fencing we could do...we aren't. The raccoons only seem interested right now with our bean plantings (11). Each time we plant, the sprouts come up and they are eaten off. They are leaving everything else alone for the most part. Our worry is, our black berries are ripening, so we might put up netting or something on those trellises. The year we grew corn, the raccoons ate it all. So we just stopped trying to grow it. When we've trapped raccoon like this, we've only gotten a few in any one year. So this year is different.
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Post by feather on Aug 4, 2019 12:59:54 GMT
day 7: nothing day 8: nothing but something is eating off our beans, still day 9: no raccoons, a rabid or very confused chipmunk threw itself into the patio window repeatedly this morning, one rabbit was dispatched.
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Post by feather on Aug 4, 2019 16:32:19 GMT
continued, day 9 The kale is being eaten by two fawns.
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Post by mogal on Aug 4, 2019 16:34:07 GMT
Feather, have you tried blood meal or urine, purchased coyote or domestically produced, if you get my drift? I have all kinds of recyclables to repurpose--my packrat tendencies drive DH to distraction until he needs one of my treasures. I've used bale wrap netting strung on electric fence posts to protect some herbs from rabbits this year and around the bottoms of climbing beans for the whole season last year. I cut some thin aluminum pie plates in half then tied a pull top can lid into the edge so it would bang against the middle of the pie plate. I hung them over the blackberries with good result keeping birds away. I don't know if it would work against your deer. Anyway, the noise and flashes as the device flaps in the breeze works against the birds when the apples are ripening too. Just a thought.
The idea of a rabid critter in your yard doesn't give me warm fuzzies. Hope he was confused.
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Post by feather on Aug 4, 2019 16:39:16 GMT
mogal, we haven't tried those things. I'm going to talk with DH about it. I did ask DH why that chipmunk seemed rabid, and he told me when he (DH) came around that side of the house, he scared the chipmunk and it took off, trying to find a way to evade him. So I think he was just crazy scared. (as I was standing on the other side of the glass) We're baiting the rat traps, and the live traps are still baited.
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Post by oxankle2 on Aug 4, 2019 17:14:45 GMT
I am losing cantaloupes. Possum in trap yesterday, last night something big got in the box trap, ate the base and backed out. The trap is big enough for raccoon, so I suspect coyote or dog. Next setting is the BIG trap, large enough for coyote.
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