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Post by bluemingidiot on Mar 9, 2016 15:47:51 GMT
84 Lumber Launches Packages Starting at $7K link
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Post by dw on Mar 9, 2016 18:32:13 GMT
They are really popular. The Denver Home & Garden show has a section on tiny homes. I didn't go but saw it advertised.
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Post by Skandi on Mar 9, 2016 19:55:29 GMT
if I'm not missreading it, that 7k doesn't include materials other than the trailer. Personaly couldn't live in anything like that, my chickens having more space than me would be wrong.
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Post by michiganfarmer on Mar 9, 2016 19:59:54 GMT
Im in snowy country. I would like a house that heats very easy.
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Post by bluemingidiot on Mar 9, 2016 22:14:36 GMT
In actuality it costs $50K for a real tiny house. In a small town I good get a lot with city water and sewage for about $10K.
It would be hard to rent an apartment or old mobile home within 80 miles in a moderately safe area for less than $800 a month.
So for $60K I can have my own home on my own lot in a safer area as long as I can live in it or an apartment or old mobile home for 6 years and 3 months. There's a lot of people, especially older people that just can't come up with the $150K to buy a home around here that won't have immediate and on-going repairs. And utilities are going to be higher in a larger home.
In a smaller town, such as Austin, you could have a garden, raise chickens and plant fruit bearing trees. Be basically self-sufficient.
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Post by kawaiitimes on Mar 9, 2016 22:53:07 GMT
Our tiny house budget is $40,000 all in although by sourcing as many reclaimed materials as possible, we have a stretch goal to try to do it for $24,000.
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Post by wolfmom on Mar 10, 2016 14:00:57 GMT
Boy, I'd rather by a Park Model mobile home than live in a tiny home. (And I do watch the tiny home shows) Half the price, better layout, (no need to climb a ladder to get to bed) Sliding bump outs make for lots more room, etc. etc. Cold weather models are well insulated.
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Post by willowgirl on Mar 10, 2016 14:54:15 GMT
So what they're selling is a DIY, very small singlewide trailer. VERY small ... and minus the HVAC, electrical and plumbing components (unless you spring for the "move-in ready option").
You could buy a used ACTUAL singlewide of a decent size for a fraction of the price.
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Post by Ken on Mar 10, 2016 15:17:32 GMT
So what they're selling is a DIY, very small singlewide trailer. VERY small ... and minus the HVAC, electrical and plumbing components (unless you spring for the "move-in ready option"). You could buy a used ACTUAL singlewide of a decent size for a fraction of the price. For some of us, it's actually about the size. Having a well built tiny home should require much less resources to cool/heat. Smaller home means less places to put junk, so less junk overall.
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Post by comfortablynumb on Mar 10, 2016 16:28:50 GMT
But.... junk is a vital resource of life.
I have no idea how anyone lives in these overpriced garden sheds.
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Post by kawaiitimes on Mar 10, 2016 17:38:18 GMT
It is a "to each their own" situation. I don't know how people live in homes where each family member has over 1,000sqft of living space. /shrug
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Post by here to stay on Mar 10, 2016 17:39:15 GMT
I lived in a small recreation trailer for 6 months. I could only do it as I had a house building project going on and was only there to cook and sleep. If I had to live there through a weather confining winter, I would have become very crabby. It was a near run thing as it is.
It's one of those things that would exist already if it had been a good thing for most. A few will take to it.
I wonder if this trend is attractive because we have become so socially isolated that we simply find sharing a space, which is truly the most economical, unpalarable.
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Post by Mr DAVID In Wisconsin on Mar 10, 2016 18:09:32 GMT
Our tiny house budget is $40,000 all in although by sourcing as many reclaimed materials as possible, we have a stretch goal to try to do it for $24,000. Your goal is doable. I built a 240 square foot place in 1995 using lots of scraps and odd items I started buying a few years before the actual construction. This saved me a fortune and allowed me to use higher end things in the areas that mattered to me like cathedral ceilings, flooring, a fireplace and a decent kitchen. I managed to buy 3 large, good quality windows at $5 each. It was great fun and I lived very comfortably there for 2 years or so. Back then I spent under $7,000 and that included my driveway, a very small solar lighting system, and a composting toilet. Good luck!
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Post by willowgirl on Mar 10, 2016 18:53:34 GMT
So what they're selling is a DIY, very small singlewide trailer. VERY small ... and minus the HVAC, electrical and plumbing components (unless you spring for the "move-in ready option"). You could buy a used ACTUAL singlewide of a decent size for a fraction of the price. For some of us, it's actually about the size. Having a well built tiny home should require much less resources to cool/heat. Smaller home means less places to put junk, so less junk overall. My objection isn't so much to the size (our house would be considered small by U.S. standards); it's to what the buyer is getting for that sum. (Not much bang for the buck, IMO.) But I suppose a DIY "tiny house" on a trailer frame is much more cool and trendy than simply buying a camper or an old mobile and fixing it up!
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Post by bluemingidiot on Mar 10, 2016 19:04:42 GMT
At $50K for a modern, well-insulated tiny home with few future problems, a person could buy two for a total price of $110, including lot. Both have loft sleeping and baths. Use one for kitchen and dining the other for living. Put them about 10' to 12' apart. You could probably put in a nice patio between them and cover the walkway between porches for about $2K. So for $112K you have a pretty much problem free home in a fairly safe area. You can't do that within 80 miles of me.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 19:31:17 GMT
For $110,000, we built 3 cottages and a 2 story duplex, each 480 sq/ft. We rent them for $650.00 each/mo. Full concrete foundations, septic, city water and all appliances. DS's cabin cost $16,000 including septic and 3 panels of solar power. 440 sq/ft....James
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Post by Ken on Mar 10, 2016 19:33:27 GMT
My objection isn't so much to the size (our house would be considered small by U.S. standards); it's to what the buyer is getting for that sum. (Not much bang for the buck, IMO.) But I suppose a DIY "tiny house" on a trailer frame is much more cool and trendy than simply buying a camper or an old mobile and fixing it up! Not all tiny houses are on a trailer frame. Some are converted buses, sheds, motor homes, etc. And some are built from scratch just like a house, just smaller.
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Post by bluemingidiot on Mar 10, 2016 19:35:53 GMT
For $110,000, we built 3 cottages and a 2 story duplex, each 480 sq/ft. We rent them for $650.00 each/mo. Full concrete foundations, septic, city water and all appliances. DS's cabin cost $16,000 including septic and 3 panels of solar power. 440 sq/ft....James Did you have them built, or did you build them yourself?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 10, 2016 21:24:28 GMT
We build everything, mix and pour the concrete ourselves. Most lumber is recycled material. Bought new trusses, 3/4" plywood roof sheathing, Silent floor joists, 1 1/8" tongue and groove plywood for the subfloor, T-111 siding and windows. All the walls and floors have fiberglass insulation (interior and exterior) for efficiency, sound deadening and to keep each room at optimum temps, attic was blown in. Electric radiant wall heat. I made all interior and exterior trim, cabinets and interior doors from recycled barn wood. Large double pane windows for passive solar gain. Each has a small greenhouse for passive solar heat with solar water heating. Small 15 gallon electric water heaters when needed. We put battens on feature walls and gable ends. All trim and fixtures done in rustic Craftsman style inside and out....James
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Post by Mr DAVID In Wisconsin on Mar 10, 2016 21:59:36 GMT
We build everything, mix and pour the concrete ourselves. Most lumber is recycled material. Bought new trusses, 3/4" plywood roof sheathing, Silent floor joists, 1 1/8" tongue and groove plywood for the subfloor, T-111 siding and windows. All the walls and floors have fiberglass insulation (interior and exterior) for efficiency, sound deadening and to keep each room at optimum temps, attic was blown in. Electric radiant wall heat. I made all interior and exterior trim, cabinets and interior doors from recycled barn wood. Large double pane windows for passive solar gain. Each has a small greenhouse for passive solar heat with solar water heating. Small 15 gallon electric water heaters when needed. We put battens on feature walls and gable ends. All trim and fixtures done in rustic Craftsman style inside and out....James We need pictures! Sounds very nice!
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Post by Skandi on Mar 11, 2016 3:35:56 GMT
Little asside.
I find it really interesting how perceptions can be perhapse not wrong but certainly strange, growing up in the UK I always thought of the US as being cheap property wise, and I guess compared to the UK where you won't get a property with 10 acres in most areas for under $500 and where I come from under 1.5mill they are. and the average price for just a house 3 bed 900sqr ft house is pushing 400k
But now living in an "expensive" scandinavian county I am horrified at the prices you guys are quoting. There's an advert on my FB at the moment for building a 1500sqr ft house self designed but not self built for $130k to buy a couple of acres here would set you back $30k
Just funny how expectations change with what we percieve as "normal"
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Post by paquebot on Mar 11, 2016 5:22:13 GMT
Original house on our family homestead was about 20x20 with a half-loft. Don't have the time-frame to know how many lived there before building a similar one 30x30. Both built with logs and served well in their times.
Martin
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Post by here to stay on Mar 11, 2016 17:33:34 GMT
Once I gave thought to building from plans made by a company that specializes in expandable designs. They supplied a series of plans that started with a small house that could be added to as finances allowed but end up still being a unified whole.
The local planning department pointed out that was not going to skirt minimum square footage limits because 'almost no one actually does the expansions.' But I still think that is a great idea if you can do it.
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Post by Skandi on Mar 11, 2016 18:47:15 GMT
Once I gave thought to building from plans made by a company that specializes in expandable designs. They supplied a series of plans that started with a small house that could be added to as finances allowed but end up still being a unified whole. The local planning department pointed out that was not going to skirt minimum square footage limits because 'almost no one actually does the expansions.' But I still think that is a great idea if you can do it. That sounds a great idea,I don't know about denmark but in the UK there's no minimum area restrictions, except some local ones on rental properties. Here many houses are 591sqr foot as that gets the maximum in housing help. but that's under the average space for one person in denmark, so there must be plenty that are much bigger!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2016 17:08:44 GMT
Wow, this forum has everything. I am building a tiny house. I only have the framing done at the moment (made sure it was under 13 ft in length). I feel for one or two people it can be enough..especially if you just use it as a place to eat and sleep. In my opinion it would be tough having a family in one. No sending arguing siblings to separate rooms and most teenagers I have met like their privacy. In closing, tiny houses are not for everyone. I feel it easier for those that would like to have an extended vacation or be possibly clear or mortgage debt to live in.
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Post by kawaiitimes on Mar 14, 2016 20:28:49 GMT
I am so excited that you are building one. Our plans have been put off because of medical expenses, but we do have them (plans) and we have been collecting salvage materials for about 8 months now.
We have a toddler, but we stayed in a tiny house recently and it was perfect for us. We are looking at it as a way to reboot our finances and finally have a lower cost of living so we can save up for the farm we want.
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Post by Skandi on Mar 14, 2016 23:02:44 GMT
Before we bought this place we lived in an little retirement house (best way I can describe it) one bed, kitchen, bathroom and livingroom. We found having nowhere to get away from eachother a nightmare. If one person wanted to watch something or play something and the other didn't.. well sitting in bed gets rather boring after a while. Same if you've had a falling out, space is needed! Fine in the summer (if one appears) as one can always take the dog for a walk, but was terrible in the winter, so glad we now have a choice of rooms, this house is too big for us really, we hardly use two of the rooms, but they are there when needed for guests and us to get some peace.
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Post by dw on Mar 15, 2016 18:31:34 GMT
I think they would be a great way to get rid of "stuff"...my husband keeps saying we need to but he's not one to pitch!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2016 18:44:10 GMT
Dw it really is. Things you don't use within a month definitely do not belong in a tiny house
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Post by Rustaholic on Mar 17, 2016 5:20:54 GMT
Im in snowy country. I would like a house that heats very easy.
Nice to see you here good buddy. Have you looked at Papercrete Houses? Look for them on YouTube. Also look at Papercrete Tow Mixer
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