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Post by bluemingidiot on May 11, 2016 14:23:31 GMT
More than 225 million birds are raised in Delaware every year with Sussex now the biggest chicken meat producing county in the nation. And the future looks like even more birds and more poop. Chicken poop is good for crops, phosphorus is bad for aquatic life. And while we have more and more poop, cropland continues to decline. A new company has come up with a way to extract the phosphorus to package and sell to less aquatic life sensitive states and countries. www.usatoday.com/story/tech/nation-now/2016/05/10/startup-turn-chicken-poop-into-organic-gold/84190530/It seems to me that the poop reprocessing has to raise food prices. Guess that makes the small grower more competitive but puts pressure to raise food stamps and subsequently the national debt. To me, the modern world is just one big bubble. |
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Post by copperkid3 on May 11, 2016 14:28:43 GMT
Sorry....can't read your story, as the link ONLY takes me to a sign-up form to subscribe to USA Today.
Regarding the poop by-product and consequently the possibility of raising the costs of the meat; it's got to be disposed of somehow, someway.
If a company can figure a way of making a profit off of it.....great! If another company can come along and figure out a way to do it.....then so much the better.
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Post by woolybear on May 11, 2016 15:30:18 GMT
Make electricity with it...http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/23/3637690/chicken-or-the-poop/
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Post by bluemingidiot on May 11, 2016 15:30:55 GMT
"If 'ifs and buts'
Were candy and nuts,
We'd all have a Merry Christmas."
John Boehner
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Post by bluemingidiot on May 11, 2016 15:53:09 GMT
Make electricity with it...http://thinkprogress.org/climate/2015/03/23/3637690/chicken-or-the-poop/ Now renewable energy costs more than fossil fuels and food and energy cost increases harm low, fixed income people most. So do we provide more assistance to the low income and raise the debt? Still the bubble. But, on the other hand, "I think the cost of energy will come down when we make this transition to renewable energy." Al Gore |
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Post by copperkid3 on May 11, 2016 16:37:19 GMT
Well... if Al Gore said it (and he claims to have created the internet too), then it must be true.
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Post by gracielagata on May 16, 2016 14:06:00 GMT
I am confused on how they are able to label it organic,' as in $$ organic farming organic.
it comes from the largest chicken growers in the country/county.... meaning one can likely safely assume they are not organic farmers, since most places would not be organic on such a large scale... so then how can the poop be organic?!
From the article, which doesn't define it any better:
"The remaining fertilizer, meanwhile, meets the U.S. Department of Agriculture’s certification for being organic, regulations making it uniquely positioned to capitalize on the nation’s organic food market – a $38 billion domestic industry that’s expected to grow at an annual rate of 14 percent over the coming years."
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Post by paquebot on May 18, 2016 15:52:33 GMT
I am confused on how they are able to label it organic,' as in $$ organic farming organic. it comes from the largest chicken growers in the country/county.... meaning one can likely safely assume they are not organic farmers, since most places would not be organic on such a large scale... so then how can the poop be organic?! It's organic in that it is not manufactured by artificial or chemical means. It is the bi-product of a living natural organism. Martin |
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Post by gracielagata on May 18, 2016 15:58:32 GMT
paquebot,so that is sufficient then to have that label, even though the birds weren't fd commercial feed? I guess I would have though the labels were very strict so it wouldn't have counted.
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Post by paquebot on May 18, 2016 16:19:23 GMT
paquebot ,so that is sufficient then to have that label, even though the birds weren't fd commercial feed? I guess I would have though the labels were very strict so it wouldn't have counted. There is no question that the product is organic. The only time that labeling comes into effect is if it is OMRI certified. Our own waste is an organic product as versus a manufactured compound. If I go Milwaukee and use a toilet there, my waste will eventually end up in a bag of Milorganite. That is an organic fertilizer but does not have OMRI certification. Martin |
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Post by gracielagata on May 18, 2016 18:34:14 GMT
paquebot, Huh, learn something new every day... Like I said, I figured chemicals in, chemicals out in regards to organic labeling. 
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Post by Mr DAVID In Wisconsin on May 18, 2016 23:26:01 GMT
Still nowhere near the crap that Washington DC produces.
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Post by copperkid3 on May 19, 2016 0:34:28 GMT
Most of it couldn't begin to be certified as "organic" either.....although if is 100% B.S.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2016 0:50:10 GMT
paquebot ,so that is sufficient then to have that label, even though the birds weren't fd commercial feed? I guess I would have though the labels were very strict so it wouldn't have counted. There is no question that the product is organic. The only time that labeling comes into effect is if it is OMRI certified. Our own waste is an organic product as versus a manufactured compound. If I go Milwaukee and use a toilet there, my waste will eventually end up in a bag of Milorganite. That is an organic fertilizer but does not have OMRI certification. Martin
So there was a little bit of you and the fine citizens of Milwaukee in that bag of Milorganite that I purchased?  Do not take this the wrong way, but I may have to rethink using the rest of that bag. 
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Post by paquebot on May 19, 2016 2:41:48 GMT
So there was a little bit of you and the fine citizens of Milwaukee in that bag of Milorganite that I purchased?
Yep! I last contributed in October 2014. Martin |
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Post by bluemingidiot on May 19, 2016 3:08:13 GMT
I have an idea for end of life--collect your poop, dry it out, your favorite plants, fruits, leaves, seeds, etc. When you die you are cremated. Mix thoroughly. Scatter either within a 6' x 4' bricklined plot of your favorite flowers or vegetables, or on a tree wherever you like. Like having a little cemetery on your place without a lot of paperwork and time.
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Post by paquebot on May 19, 2016 5:28:10 GMT
I have an idea for end of life--collect your poop, dry it out, your favorite plants, fruits, leaves, seeds, etc. When you die you are cremated. Mix thoroughly. Scatter either within a 6' x 4' bricklined plot of your favorite flowers or vegetables, or on a tree wherever you like. Like having a little cemetery on your place without a lot of paperwork and time. Sorry but that's not a new idea. Been going on like that for a few thousand years in South America. If there's enough of it, eventually it all becomes "terra preta". Martin |
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Post by bluemingidiot on May 19, 2016 6:37:52 GMT
There is people who combine a cremated person with his poop and favorite flora and make a grave garden from it? |
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Post by paquebot on May 19, 2016 13:23:28 GMT
There is people who combine a cremated person with his poop and favorite flora and make a grave garden from it? Yes, and it is still going on. The bodies are cremated and the smaller bones crushed and eaten. All excrement and other everyday waste goes into a pit or trench behind the shelter. It becomes a grave garden as soon as it is full and another dug and garden vegetation takes over the first one. If the location is populated long enough, the fresh pits eventually are too far from the shelter and new ones dug where old ones originally were. Terra preta is a man-made soil and much of it consists of Man as there are no cemeteries in that culture. Martin |
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Post by bluemingidiot on May 19, 2016 13:34:36 GMT
That's not what I'm saying but what culture are you referring to?
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Post by paquebot on May 20, 2016 0:01:15 GMT
That's not what I'm saying but what culture are you referring to? The Amazon and much of the northern half of South America. There are isolated tribes who have not changed in several thousand years. Still make organic shelters which must be renewed every few years. Still cremate their dead and eat their bones and ashes. Still dig pits to use for toilets and garbage. Still dig new pits when old are full. Still plant gardens where old pits were. Still the best way of recycling Nature. Martin |
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Post by bluemingidiot on May 26, 2016 14:05:50 GMT
Again, I'm not talking about eating the bones and ashes of the dead.
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