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Post by bluemingidiot on Jun 21, 2016 0:27:45 GMT
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Post by willowgirl on Jun 21, 2016 4:59:04 GMT
Shar-peis should have been on that list. Horrid dogs!
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Post by indypartridge on Jun 21, 2016 10:54:32 GMT
In all the years I've been a homeowner, in several states, I don't ever remember my insurer asking about what pets I had.
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Post by motdaugrnds on Jun 21, 2016 12:15:37 GMT
That URL presents more opportunities to open accounts than it provides information about dogs....??
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Post by wolfmom on Jun 21, 2016 12:40:34 GMT
Yup. So glad my vet was aware of this and listed my dogs as ones that aren't on the "blacklisted" list so I didn't have to get creative with the insurance company.
I have one that's half wolf, the other, half pit bull. Both loves, but protective of me.
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Post by bluemingidiot on Jun 21, 2016 13:55:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2016 13:55:47 GMT
I'm thankful, so thankful that Black & Tan, Red Bone, Blue Tick, Red Tick, and most of all, Catahoula Cur were not on that dreaded list. Like indypartridge, after all these years, I've never heard of being asked about a pet dog.
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Post by countrymom22 on Jun 21, 2016 20:31:21 GMT
I remember being asked more than 22 years ago when we bought this house. Back then we had a coonhound and a couple of shelties, so no problem.
The problem with a lot of the breeds on the list has more to do with the owners than the dogs themselves.
That is also one of the main reasons that many dogs in rescue are labeled as "terrier or Lab mixes". Any dog listed as a mix of pit etc. has less of a chance to be adopted. Of course, some of the breeds/mixes of the dogs are truly unknown to the shelter/recue staff, who also have next to no background on many of the dogs that come their way. So the descriptions are guesses at best.
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Post by motdaugrnds on Jun 21, 2016 21:07:14 GMT
Yes, that URL did give more information. The whole idea is lopsided in that it doesn't take into account the "owner(s)" of such breeds.
Dogs all get bad reputation often because of inexperienced (even uncaring) owners!
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Post by bluemingidiot on Jun 21, 2016 22:23:35 GMT
Yes, that URL did give more information. The whole idea is lopsided in that it doesn't take into account the "owner(s)" of such breeds. Dogs all get bad reputation often because of inexperienced (even uncaring) owners! Kind of like equating dogs to guns? Guns don't kill people, people kill people. Dogs don't kill people, inexperienced (even uncaring) owners kill people. |
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Post by here to stay on Jun 21, 2016 23:49:43 GMT
Any dog can kill but some dogs are really, really, really good at it. If people believe a dog can be bred to be a ratter or a scent hound or a live stock guardian, why do they refuse to believe a dog can be bred to attack fast and hang on?
Two years ago a wolf mix and pit bull came through my area, leaving behind dead and ripped up livestock. As they killed what was available in one place then they moved on to the next pasture to kill what was there. The beagle, German Shorthaired Pointer, Lab, and misc little terrier types who had irresponsible owners letting them run loose constantly for years did not do this.
I only saved two of my goats because I happened to see a sprawled out goat in the pen and was able to get there in time to chase the dogs away from out of the shed where they had trapped and ripped the survivors. I thought I had made a mistake when the dogs turned to face me down. But luckily the wolf left and after a bit the pitbull decided to follow.
There are plenty of irresponsible dog owners. In fact, I'd say more than responsible ones. Too bad the irresponsible ones are so free with breeding more of the same. All that matters to them is as the woman whose dogs killed my animals said to me"You lost your pets but I lost mine too" as they took their dogs to a friend to keep. Never heard the words 'Sorry your pets were killed.' Nope- never heard that. As usual the concern never went past their own.
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Post by tenbusybees on Jun 22, 2016 0:57:26 GMT
When we bought our first home the ins co asked if we had specific breeds of dogs, all those listed and a few others.
When we bought this place the ins co didn't even ask if we had any dogs.
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Post by motdaugrnds on Jun 22, 2016 2:31:13 GMT
here to stay, I'm so sorry you had that terrible experience and lost your goats. I suspect I would have shot those dogs! Yes, those who do not take responsibility for raising their own dogs have little empathy for others. That type of person should not be permitted to have dogs....just makes me angry that person was allowed to let a friend have those dogs..............You just might be seeing them again before long.
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Post by jupiter on Jun 22, 2016 3:02:42 GMT
Not everyone should own a "bully" breed. If you can't be the alpha, don't get the dog. That being said, we've always had bully breeds that were/are trained to listen. We don't let them roam free. They are always with us or in the crate. People compliment us on how well behaved & sweet they are.
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Post by shellymay on Jun 22, 2016 11:53:29 GMT
Neighbor had a German Shepard and a cattle dog of some sort, dogs got into our pasture and ripped the hind end out of one of our lambs at time lambed weight was about 60 lbs, (this was before we invested in guardian dogs for the sheep) anyhow my husband shot them both right there in our pasture, upon approaching the dead dogs we realized they had tags on their collars with owners info, we called and they were not home (away for the weekend) we told them what had happened and that we shot the dogs and asked what do you want us to do with them?. Husband was on the phone (wife in back ground) she was screaming OH NO NOT so and so the little  ?? breed of dog, not sure but she only cared about one certain little dog (that dog was not shot and was still home on porch) back to story, the husband said they would be home this eve and to please leave dead dogs on the drive way up close to house, I believe he did ask about the future of the lamb and possibly even offered to pay for lamb, the loss of their dogs was enough for us as we where sure we would never lose another to these two dogs again...
Why the heck they left town for the weekend and left these two dogs loose is beyond me and this misfortune that was the result  |
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Post by bluemingidiot on Jun 22, 2016 12:13:10 GMT
Neighbor had a German Shepard and a cattle dog of some sort, dogs got into our pasture and ripped the ass end out of one of our lambs at time lambed weight was about 60 lbs, (this was before we invested in guardian dogs for the sheep) anyhow my husband shot them both right there in our pasture, upon approaching the dead dogs we realized they had tags on their collars with owners info, we called and they were not home (away for the weekend) we told them what had happened and that we shot the dogs and asked what do you want us to do with them?. Husband was on the phone (wife in back grown) she was screaming OH NO NOT so and so the little ?? breed of dog, not sure but she only cared about one certain little dog (that dog was not shot and was still home on porch) back to story, the husband said they would be home this eve and to please leave dead dogs on the drive way up close to house, I believe he did ask about the future of the lamb and possibly even offered to pay for lamb, the loss of their dogs was enough for us as we where sure we would never lose another to these two dogs again...
Why the heck they left town for the weekend and left these two dogs loose is beyond me and this misfortune that was the result People, often because of emotional attachments, project attributes and behaviors on cats, dogs and chosen people that they do not possess. No one can convince them that their projections are not reality until it is too late. And often, even then, they choose denial instead of reality. |
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Post by themotherhen on Jun 23, 2016 1:01:14 GMT
Shar-peis should have been on that list. Horrid dogs! My uncle had a couple of shar-peis and he tripped and fell in the backyard one day. The dogs attacked his face and he needed reconstructive surgery. And they kept the dogs, even after they had 4 kids. Finally the dogs got out and attacked a police officer a few doors down. The officer shot and killed the dogs and required stitches. And my uncle tried to sue :-0 Luckily the judge had some common sense and threw the case out. |
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Post by here to stay on Jun 23, 2016 14:39:45 GMT
People with dangerous dogs seem to be oblivious to the fact. Dogs certainly have a pack mentality which means they want to please their superiors. The owners then interpret that as their dogs "love" them and only them.
For some dogs that is true. Not all by any means. But I learned an interesting lesson about dogs when my sister came to visit.
I had two dogs at the time- a Lab and a pitbull border collie mix. When my sister co opted "my chair" during her visit, the dogs had different reactions. I saw the mix standing in front of the chair looking back at me, then at my sister, back at me then back at my sister. In her hairy little mind, she was judging whether a new pack order had been established and whether I had lost my standing as boss. She decided to change her "allegiance" to my sister. She attached herself, following her and forming the little opposing group that dogs do when they line up with their pack and face an outsider. I became her "outsider." At least until my sister left and the old pack with me as boss reformed.
Meanwhile the Lab simply stayed next to me as usual.
Dogs have their own personalities and ways of expressing them. A dog can be keeping an eye out for their own interests just as any human can. According to their own values.
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Post by Wendy on Jun 23, 2016 19:39:53 GMT
OK, I think Chihuahuas should be on the top of the list as the one we have is the devil! She loves us & kids we babysit for, but hates most other people. We always crate her when someone is here. Now outside I have German Shepherd cross dogs & they don't seem to have a mean bone in their body. Big slobbering babies!
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Post by katievt on Jun 23, 2016 20:57:40 GMT
OK, I think Chihuahuas should be on the top of the list as the one we have is the devil! She loves us & kids we babysit for, but hates most other people. We always crate her when someone is here. Now outside I have German Shepherd cross dogs & they don't seem to have a mean bone in their body. Big slobbering babies! Some of the most vicious dog breeds are actually little dogs - they just don't make the list as their bites (usually) don't do much damage. Dachshunds and Chihuahuas are both regular offenders. |
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Jun 23, 2016 21:48:15 GMT
My son and dil have a rotty mix, an Alaskan malemute and a chiweinie...all three of them are very sweet, loving animals. It has a lot to do with training and treatment of the animals.
My own dog is a mixed breed - his mother was my Great Pyrenees, and we suspect his father was a Golden Retriever, by his appearance. He is a wonderful dog. If livestock guardian dogs are ever put on the banned list, I'd just list him as a Golden Retriever mix...everyone loves Goldens!
I have to agree that Shar-peis are not for everyone...the neighbors had one years ago and that dog attacked and killed our ram lamb and so severely damaged one of our ewes that she had to be put down. I never trusted that dog, but I will say, he was not properly trained and worked with. I think the neighbor guy liked having a "killer" dog.
I also agree with the small dogs being more likely to bite - people think they are cute and don't tend to give them the same kind of training they would a larger dog. There's a reason we call them ankle-biters!
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Post by snoozy on Jun 23, 2016 21:57:06 GMT
Clearly, they missed the call on Corgis, as this poor Bernese Mountain Dog learned to his chagrin...
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Post by shellymay on Jun 23, 2016 23:30:11 GMT
snoozy, I soooooooo love that picture 
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Jun 23, 2016 23:35:02 GMT
snoozy, is that your little guy? I can just see the Bernese crying "UNCLE"!
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Post by snoozy on Jun 24, 2016 1:44:46 GMT
snoozy, is that your little guy? I can just see the Bernese crying "UNCLE"! Ya, that's Kebabullah! |
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Post by Mr DAVID In Wisconsin on Jun 24, 2016 12:59:31 GMT
Some insurance companies are on to the "creative" dog breed naming and are now requiring pictures.
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Post by PNP Katahdins on Jun 24, 2016 15:39:44 GMT
Some insurance companies are on to the "creative" dog breed naming and are now requiring pictures. If you do have to submit pictures, make sure the dog is standing next to a really large and tall person (doesn't have to be a family member). That will make the dog look smaller. Also, you can take lots of digital photos until you get one that works to your advantage. We have State Farm insurance and never have any problems like these. Our agents are pretty level-headed and take care of a lot of farmers. Our (sometimes up to) six dogs, Border collies and Polish Tatra-cross LGDs, have never been questioned. The cats are more likely to cause tripping hazards than the dogs. When looking at shelter or rescue websites, obvious pit crosses can get listed as "Border collie cross" and actually, almost anything black and white often gets the "BC cross" designation, or maybe "Springer cross" if it has a wavy coat. They usually have no idea unless it's a surrender. Peg |
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Post by randumguy on Jun 26, 2016 3:50:15 GMT
It is said that there are no bad dogs, only bad owners.....
I don't entirely buy that. Some dogs can't help their breeding. It seems that things go in fads. Dobermans had their thing, then it was German Shepherds, pit bulls, rotties. It seems that they seem to run in a cycle. People rush out to get the latest fad dog, and then want to breed them with no consideration for genetics, breeding for the best traits, etc.
I have been around many of those breeds with no problems. Would I own some of them, no.. But the dogs on that list are ones that people have either A: inbred too much, or B: are "working" breeds, that aren't necessarily known for their "pet" like tendencies.
I became the owner of a Malamute once. Beautiful dog, but he came from a bad place. Malnourished, in a sad state. We had a couple minor go rounds over the food dish, but once he realized that he could eat what he wanted, when he wanted, we were pretty much good. I was supposed to "watch" him for 2 weeks. Ended up with him for 6 months. He went back to his owner (who was not the first owner of him), and lasted about 3 weeks before I brought him back home. Once again, we had the food issue, because they weren't feeding on a regular basis, but once we were back on track, life was good. He was hit by the neighbor that was speeding in his dump truck, and killed. He was a great dog. Nobody wanted to stop at our place because of the "wolf" sitting out front. He was about 130 lbs., and starting to look like a dog when he was killed. He just needed some love, and affection, but he also needed a strong alpha. I still miss that dog, and that has been a few years.
Have a dog now that is the product of severely irresponsible people not spaying, and neutering. I don't hate him, I hate the circumstances that he came to us under, but that is a long story. He doesn't like me much, but that's ok. He leaves me alone, I will leave him alone, as long as he is doing his business outside, and not killing my chickens. His doing his business inside is a direct result of the environment he came from. That is a tough habit to break. Good thing we don't have any carpet in the house. Truly tragic.
Not every dog should be bred, even if they come from "champion" blood lines. Irresponsible people are to blame for that. Just because you paid 500 dollars for your dog doesn't mean every pp from a litter of 12 is worth the same amount of money.
Just a few of my randum ramblings on a Saturday evening.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Jun 26, 2016 21:59:59 GMT
snoozy , is that your little guy? I can just see the Bernese crying "UNCLE"! Ya, that's Kebabullah! He's just so stinkin' cute! |
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Jun 26, 2016 22:02:14 GMT
Some insurance companies are on to the "creative" dog breed naming and are now requiring pictures. <--- There's mine! Actually, my insurance company has never asked about dogs. |
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