The poorest town in each state

[bluemingidiot]

www.msn.com/en-us/money/savingandinvesting/the-poorest-town-in-every-state/ss-BBtq7I1?ocid=spartandhp#image=1


Reasonable land prices and reasonable cost of living but not many jobs.

[here to stay]

I know California's lowest- Clear Lake. It is a town of lots of retirees and people seeking to be away from the rat race. So there may be few jobs but that does not mean Clear Lake is a hotbed of poverty. It is a hotbed of people satisfied with less and taking their enjoyment from other things. There are lots of ranches, fishing resorts, casinos, etc. But no professional sports teams, shopping malks, luxury car dealerships, etc.

A totally better way of life IMHO.

Now down state in the Central Valley, there are places with access to much more than Clear Lake has but are too poor even with jobs and income to have what I would call a life.

[Cabin Fever]

According to the website, I work in the poorest city in Minnesota.

[bluemingidiot]

A place can only be poor if the people living in its midst are poor.

"If you can talk with crowds and keep your virtue,


Or walk with Kings—nor lose the common touch,


If neither foes nor loving friends can hurt you,


If all men count with you, but none too much;


If you can fill the unforgiving minute


With sixty seconds’ worth of distance run,


Yours is the Earth and everything that’s in it"

[hermitjohn]

Here is direct link to the list without dealing with all MSN tracking garbage: 247wallst.com/special-report/2016/05/24/poorest-town-in-every-state/

Its sort of interesting, though there are some almost dead small farming towns that are probably even cheaper. And some of these places listed that are near high population area are frankly probably slums with high crime rate.

And all this assumes you want to live in TOWN/CITY on a residential lot. Be more interesting to show cheapest rural land in all the states and that rural land with fewest codes and restrictions.

[Melissa]

Ohio actually does not have "towns" only villages or cities. East Cleveland would be considered a city. Cale worked there one year and he could not believe the homeless people literally living under the bridges. He said it was really bad...

[here to stay]

There are people living under bridges in the richest or poorest places. Here they have water view camp sites.

That has more to do with the choices they make or their mental condition than anything else.

[hermitjohn]

Jun 29, 2016 20:21:25 GMT here to stay said:

There are people living under bridges in the richest or poorest places. Here they have water view camp sites.

That has more to do with the choices they make or their mental condition than anything else.

No doubt there are plenty with mental problems.  Reagan closed down the state run mental facilities and decided the mentally disturbed would be better off fending for themselves on the street.  They can break a window or something and get couple nights in the crossbar motel if they tire of living raw.

But seriously rent has progressed to where a part time minimum wage job literally doesnt pay the rent.  And most of the minimum wage jobs are "on call as needed" they dont give you set hours so you can have multiple jobs.  You dont even know how many hours work you will get in a pay period.  Makes planning impossible.

As to dealing with multiple room mates (assuming rentals even allow multiple unrelated room mates) that may or may not come up with rent on time, I'd rather live under a bridge.  Dealing with people not one of my strong suits.

[Deleted]

Most in our area work for minimum wage 6 months a year draw UE the other 6 months.

Rockpile 

[Deleted]

Jun 29, 2016 22:02:57 GMT hermitjohn said:

 Dealing with people not one of my strong suits.

And yet you join in here with us so well.   I enjoy your posts.

[hermitjohn]

Jun 29, 2016 22:32:07 GMT @kiwifarmgal said:

Jun 29, 2016 22:02:57 GMT hermitjohn said:

 Dealing with people not one of my strong suits.

And yet you join in here with us so well. :D   I enjoy your posts.

Lot easier when people are on the other side of the globe and only contact is electronic.... LOL   Sharing an apartment with several others, up close and personal, and their guests,  rather a different thing.` Especially if I am the one that is subletting and playing mini-landlord trying to get rent together from everybody each month.

Before automation eliminated the job, think I would done fine as a remote light house keeper.  Well long as I had boatload of books and enough lamp oil.  Amazes me how few people can deal with long term solitary life.  Heard that bunch do-gooders want to eliminate solitary confinement in prisons.  Cant imagine why, that would be much preferred by me over having to be in general population.

[hermitjohn]

Jun 29, 2016 22:16:51 GMT @rockpile said:

Most in our area work for minimum wage 6 months a year draw UE the other 6 months.

Rockpile 

Yea but in rural area without plentiful jobs, you probably could live on part time minimum wage.  Not fun but you could eat and have shelter.  There is always some cheap shack out back of beyond.  Or camp in a van. The city is different critter.  You'd be hurting to live legally, even if you got full 40 hour minimum wage job.

I know couple people locally where their cheap apartment is being torn down and area gentrified.  Cheap apartments are not readily available anymore even in what used to be poor section of town.  To get cheap rent now, you have to move out where its rather long painful commute.  And then gas and car maintenance become too expensive unless you are on social security or some kind disability and dont have to commute.

[bluemingidiot]

Jun 29, 2016 22:02:57 GMT hermitjohn said:

Jun 29, 2016 20:21:25 GMT here to stay said:

There are people living under bridges in the richest or poorest places. Here they have water view camp sites.

That has more to do with the choices they make or their mental condition than anything else.

No doubt there are plenty with mental problems.  Reagan closed down the state run mental facilities and decided the mentally disturbed would be better off fending for themselves on the street.  They can break a window or something and get couple nights in the crossbar motel if they tire of living raw.

But seriously rent has progressed to where a part time minimum wage job literally doesnt pay the rent.  And most of the minimum wage jobs are "on call as needed" they dont give you set hours so you can have multiple jobs.  You dont even know how many hours work you will get in a pay period.  Makes planning impossible.

As to dealing with multiple room mates (assuming rentals even allow multiple unrelated room mates) that may or may not come up with rent on time, I'd rather live under a bridge.  Dealing with people not one of my strong suits.

O'Connor vs Donaldson was a 1975 Supreme Court decision. Gerald Ford was President. Kenneth Donaldson, a state hospital inmate suffering from schizophrenia was represented by the ACLU. The United States Supreme Court ruled that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends.  This decision had the effect of putting a large portion of mentally ill people 'on the street.'  Since so many people with mental health issues did not want to be a part of state run mental health systems, the funding was significantly reduced. 

[hermitjohn]

Jun 30, 2016 2:42:26 GMT bluemingidiot said:

Jun 29, 2016 22:02:57 GMT hermitjohn said:

No doubt there are plenty with mental problems.  Reagan closed down the state run mental facilities and decided the mentally disturbed would be better off fending for themselves on the street.  They can break a window or something and get couple nights in the crossbar motel if they tire of living raw.

But seriously rent has progressed to where a part time minimum wage job literally doesnt pay the rent.  And most of the minimum wage jobs are "on call as needed" they dont give you set hours so you can have multiple jobs.  You dont even know how many hours work you will get in a pay period.  Makes planning impossible.

As to dealing with multiple room mates (assuming rentals even allow multiple unrelated room mates) that may or may not come up with rent on time, I'd rather live under a bridge.  Dealing with people not one of my strong suits.

O'Connor vs Donaldson was a 1975 Supreme Court decision. Gerald Ford was President. Kenneth Donaldson, a state hospital inmate suffering from schizophrenia was represented by the ACLU. The United States Supreme Court ruled that a state cannot constitutionally confine a non-dangerous individual who is capable of surviving safely in freedom by themselves or with the help of willing and responsible family members or friends.  This decision had the effect of putting a large portion of mentally ill people 'on the street.'  Since so many people with mental health issues did not want to be a part of state run mental health systems, the funding was significantly reduced. 

In November 1980, Republican Ronald Reagan overwhelmingly defeated Jimmy Carter, who received less than 42% of the popular vote, for president. Republicans took control of the Senate (53 to 46), the first time they had dominated either chamber since 1954. Although the House remained under Democratic control (243 to 192), their margin was actually much slimmer, because many southern “boll weevil” Democrats voted with the Republicans.

One month prior to the election, President Carter had signed the Mental Health Systems Act, which had proposed to continue the federal community mental health centers program, although with some additional state involvement. Consistent with the report of the Carter Commission, the act also included a provision for federal grants “for projects for the prevention of mental illness and the promotion of positive mental health,” an indication of how little learning had taken place among the Carter Commission members and professionals at NIMH. With President Reagan and the Republicans taking over, the Mental Health Systems Act was discarded before the ink had dried and the CMHC funds were simply block granted to the states. The CMHC program had not only died but been buried as well. An autopsy could have listed the cause of death as naiveté complicated by grandiosity.

link

[bluemingidiot]

Reagan gave the States 75% to 80% of the funding they would have received under the Act. Again, people with mental health issues were already on the street because of O'Conner vs. Donaldson.

There were two views of the efficacy of the Mental Health Systems Act of 1980, the other was as follows,

"While assigning the highest priority to individuals with chronic mental illnesses, the legislation also recognized the claims of various other groups whose needs were quite different, including children and adolescents, the elderly, rural residents, and victims of rape. The absence of new resources and vague generalizations about the kinds of services required, however, raised doubts about the legislation's effectiveness.

Since the legislation mirrored the demands of multiple interest groups, it was hardly surprising that it offered prescriptions for action that reflected quite different concerns. As Sharfstein noted, in order to make it through the congressional gauntlet, the legislation “had to give a little something to everyone and as a result became unusually complex” (S.S. Sharfstein, interview, October 24, 2003). Older CMHCs were criticized because they had not responded to the needs of vulnerable populations, yet the act authorized the programs to continue in order to permit funding for areas that had not received grants. Although the legislation anticipated the creation of an integrated effort at the local level, it created ten new categorical programs, each with its own constituency (Foley and Sharfstein 1983).

Some of the legislation's provisions reflected ideology rather than empirical data, notably the provisions dealing with the prevention of mental illnesses and the promotion of mental health. Their popularity reflected in part a faith in human agency, that disease was not inevitable and could be avoided by conscious and purposive actions. In fact, the prevention of mental illnesses and the promotion of mental health were little more than attractive slogans. Given that neither the etiology nor the pathology of mental illnesses was understood, how could strategies be developed that would prevent such disorders and promote health? The absence of any data demonstrating the effectiveness of preventive and promotion strategies did not, however, act as a deterrent."

www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2690151/

The Mental Health Systems Act of 1980 adhered to the liberal belief that government can solve problems (even those not thoroughly understood) by creating bureaucracies to deal with them. We can certainly look back and tell others what they did that was wrong and what was the correct thing for them to do.

[Deleted]

There is Homeless in the city which has been trying to move them out then saying we don't have a Homeless problem.

Here with Homeless they stay on Government Land and get hassled by the Law. Legally they can only stay 14 days in a 30 day period.

I have a Son that was Homeless in the city. Was put in a home for a few months got his mind straight and taking his medication different person now but has a house  calls me regular but still has his Demons and learning to live with them.

Rockpile 

[bluemingidiot]

Yeah, lot us are learning to live with our Demons.