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Post by mzgarden on Mar 29, 2018 14:24:24 GMT
Looking toward this year's breeding season. As you know, we lost our buck to a catastrophic injury after he bred our girls last year. Finding a confirmed disease free buck has proven to be difficult. Thought we had one but independent testing showed positive CAE even though they had paperwork showing negative.
We have AM Nubians that are ADGA registered. We do not show. These are basically our tiny herd because we like goats and love goat milk. Until now, all of our kids have been registerable - but if I keep this buckling, and breed him back to his mother, am I right thinking none of them would be registerable - all would be 'market goats'?
This year's kids are:
Doe 1 to buck (no relation) - 1 buckling, 2 does
Doe 2 to her own sire - 2 does
If I keep the buckling out of Doe 1 this year and using him to breed next year.
This would result in kids-
Doe 1 bred back to her own son
Doe 2 bred back to her own brother (from a different year, but that doesn't matter)
Doe 3 bred back to her own brother
Am I right about the registration - all would be market goats, none registerable? Not sure I care, just trying to figure it out.
Thanks.
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Post by shellymay on Mar 29, 2018 17:40:14 GMT
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Post by mzgarden on Mar 29, 2018 20:38:55 GMT
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Post by motdaugrnds on Mar 30, 2018 2:38:33 GMT
mzgarden , I stopped registering my Nubians a few years back though I've continued keeping the line pure. The one thing I discovered and will never forget because it turned out to be a terrible mistake was: I bread a son back to his mother. (This was before I chose to focus only on Nubians and had a purebred Alpine with her purebred Alpine baby boy.) The doe had triplets and all 3 were allergic to her milk. I lost all 3 of those beautiful Alpine kids. Never will I breed a buck back to its dam again! Now not being a vet and that one time being my only experience maybe it would not occur again. I've just never been willing to take a chance. Perhaps your breeding your buck back to his dam would work out ok...
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Post by mzgarden on Mar 30, 2018 2:58:36 GMT
motdaugrnds, thanks for sharing this. I likely will not opt to keep this buckling and breed him back to his Mom, but I was curious about rules. How hard is it to sell your unregistered nubians/crosses? I may decide to go that route because I am absolutely unable to find a Nubian buck that I can confirm is CAE free. We've been burned before = it's never been on it's Mom, clean herd, closed herd, see my test paperwork - and then the dang thing tests positive. All mine are tested every year and are always negative and I need to have a buck since we lost ours. I'm so frustrated with people lying to me about the health of their animals (sorry to rant). Back to regular programming - I do appreciate your inputs.
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Post by motdaugrnds on Mar 30, 2018 22:34:15 GMT
I certainly understand your frustration and lack of trust. The first year I raised goats was quite frustrating for me as well...until I purchased "So-Gay Roman" from the Chateau Bryant farm. He had been bottle fed from birth and I picked him up when he was only 3 months old. (He became a real friend and is the one in my Avatar.) Since going outside my herd from Roman, I line bred to replace my bucks, making sure the buckling I kept could not be bred to its mother...put her in the freezer. (Since all my does have been heavy milkers, this was easy.)
I don't even try to sell my goats. My herd is so small (3 does with 1 buck) that whatever kid(s) I do not decide to keep I put in the freezer; and I like keeping the herd small.
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Post by shellymay on Mar 31, 2018 2:01:42 GMT
mzgarden , These folks are in NC and test for everything, I know they have a nice young buckling, you can trust these folks, they do have registered, again trust worthy farm, you can tell them Shellymay sent you if you want..... www.winginitfarms.com/contact-usHERE is their facebook page, scroll down a few pages and you will see the nubian buckling and his sister in a purple colored tote, just look at those spots 
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Post by mzgarden on Mar 31, 2018 11:01:33 GMT
shellymay, thank you! All help is gratefully accepted and a personal recommendations is very appreciated. It looks to be about an 8 hour drive from us so it's a bit of a hike, but will definitely keep them in mind. Thanks!
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Post by shellymay on Mar 31, 2018 19:23:59 GMT
mzgarden , I don't know what happen as the facebook link wasn't there, hum... well here you go www.facebook.com/Wingin-it-Farms-Home-of-Wings-Caprines-1083935584954912/ you must look at the young buck I was talking about, I have also known these folks to do part of the driving for delivery, even if they drove towards you 2 hrs that would help. Not sure of their schedule right now but it never hurts to ask, try the link and look at the black spotted nubian babies Okay that didn't work either, copy the link and put it into your search bar (google or what ever) and it will come up that way...
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Post by mzgarden on Apr 2, 2018 12:11:42 GMT
shellymay, I reached out to them via FB chat message today. Thanks for the suggestion.
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Post by shellymay on Apr 2, 2018 18:57:47 GMT
mzgarden, If they don't have what your looking for maybe they can suggest a well knowfarm closer to you? Anyhow I hope something works out for you....
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