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Post by farmin4fun on Jun 22, 2021 17:36:18 GMT
The leaves on my raspberry plants are rolling up. It's in the high 90's here and I have kept them watered. I've checked for bugs but don't see anything. I don't spray anything on them for bugs. Any idea what I'm doing wrong? My boysenberry plant is doing the same but my blackberry plants are not. Any advice would be greatly appreciated.
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Post by mogal on Jun 22, 2021 20:48:44 GMT
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Post by farmin4fun on Jun 23, 2021 21:59:01 GMT
Well Heck... after looking at pictures I think my culprit might be dear Hubby. He was spraying with 2-4D on the pasture next to my garden. I know he didn't spray close to the fence but we have wind everyday. And doesn't the high heat lift some of that?? I have blackberries on the fence line and they look ok but the are new plants and lower to the ground (if that would matter). Also he was spraying just a little ways over from my lone Boysenberry and its leaves are doing the same thing. Any ideas on what the remedy would be. I'll be sick if I loose all of these.
Thank you Mogal for the link!!
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Post by mogal on Jun 24, 2021 1:08:10 GMT
You're welcome, farmin4fun. I don't have much good news for you though. I thought 2,4-D was systemic, meaning that the chemical translocates through the entire plant so yours are probably toast, but looked it up to be sure. I found these two articles that might be helpful. From www.crabgrasslawn.com/2-4-d-lawn/"2,4-Dichlorophenoxyacetic acid (2, 4-D) is a systemic herbicide that selectively kills broadleaf weeds. It destroys weeds by altering the way the cells of these plants grow, thereby killing them. In other words, it causes uncontrolled growth of cells in broadleaf weeds, thereby eliminating them." Sadly, this quote should say broadleaf PLANTS, not just weeds. More info that doesn't give me warm fuzzy feelings: civileats.com/2015/06/30/5-things-to-know-about-24-d-the-possibly-cancer-causing-herbicide/ |
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Post by farmin4fun on Jun 24, 2021 13:24:57 GMT
I have 3 grape plants and a rose bush that is dying also. They were looking really good but they started turning brown and are dying so it must be the same. I have some raspberry starts that are coming up and look fine...do you think I'm safe transplanting them? I guess it would be worth the effort. I am just sick over this but it could be worse. After reading these articles I don't know that I'll let that stuff on our place anywhere. Farmers and ranchers have been using it for years around here but they need to read these articles.
I really appreciate all the info and the time you took to look it up. I sure hope no one else has to go thru this. And I thought the deer is my biggest worry!
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Post by mogal on Jun 24, 2021 17:59:15 GMT
I can empathize with you, farmin4fun. Years ago, a neighbor hired a local tree service to spray herbicide on 2 miles of her roadside with a product called Crossbow which contained 2,4-D. She failed to tell him that in the middle of that 2 miles was our little corner. At various times, she had actually asked permission to spray our part and we always declined--she couldn't claim ignorance. We had drift that killed trees and berry bushes as well as contaminating our pasture as far from the road as the dead trees. The material was not cleared for use on grazing or hay land, particularly for lactating dairy animals like our goats, so the upshot was that the woman who hired the tree service ended up suing him. Anyway, we sued and settled out of court for damages, the cost of the hay we lost and had to replace. Yes, I fully understand your being sick over your situation.
As far as transplanting the raspberry starts, it won't hurt to try. I bet your grapes and rose bush are beyond help considering the action of the chemical. I also wouldn't put the contaminated plant material in your compost pile. I have no clue as to burning. One article I saw said that you needed to wait 14 days before planting but I'd wait longer than that.
We're blessed to be far away from a neighbor who could spray our place. However, we have an REA easement that goes right through our yard and garden area. We've made arrangements with them when they feel it's time to spray to cut it ourselves or to let the goats browse on the easement to keep them out.
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Post by paquebot on Jun 26, 2021 5:02:25 GMT
There is one thing about 2-4D. If you can smell it, sensitive plants are already affected. Three years ago I had 4 trays of tomato seedlings on a garden table for inspections. Suddenly I felt drops of moisture and smelled 2-4D. A lawn service worker was spraying a neighbor's lawn and a gust of wind carried it to me. I lost 3 trays as only the one in front of me was spared. The lawn service was using Triplet. Luckily it was early enough that I could start new plants. At same time had about 60 strawberry plants ready to transplant. Lost nearly every one of those as well.
Martin
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Post by mogal on Jun 26, 2021 10:31:48 GMT
Martin, if I gave you a thumbs up on your post, it would be from empathy only, not because I liked what you said.
Yes, if you can smell it...
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Post by farmin4fun on Jun 28, 2021 16:09:40 GMT
update: My 3 grape vines are almost gone I've trimmed them back. If it goes any further it's over for them. My berries are all still green. No brown leaves, just curled leaves. they are loaded with berries but I have told everyone not to eat them I will pick them as they ripen and toss them.
Paquebot..glad you had time to replant but still not a good situation.
I sympathize with anyone that looses plants.
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Post by farmerjack on Jun 29, 2021 15:07:15 GMT
Had in mind to pick raspberries this morning, found they had cooked on the vine with this 110+ hot weather we are having. Trying to keep them watered and alive. Has been a difficult task.
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