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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2015 15:36:33 GMT
This year I went ahead and let my 2 bucks run with the herd since my neighbor needed the ivy and acreage cleaned up. So now I was checking Doe status and looks like Vanilla will be kidding soon!! I noticed her teets getting bigger a couple of weeks ago and now she has a cute udder going, her vulva is swollen today and her belly has dropped, not feeling ligs so possible next 24 hours...Vanilla is a FF this year so thinking she will have a single and really excited she is from some good milking lines from Doug (Spotted Nubians). Soon to follow (pretty sure) is Nibbler and Pebbles both have udders forming up...I love kidding season!
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Post by Wendy on Nov 13, 2015 16:01:42 GMT
Mine aren't due to start until mid January. I have one doe that is pretty big already so I am guessing maybe triplets. I have 13 dairy does & 2 Pygmy does due.
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Post by mzgarden on Nov 13, 2015 21:13:28 GMT
This will be our first year. Pictures are always welcome, and you don't have to wait for the kids, pregnant goatie pics are always fun too.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Nov 14, 2015 10:33:33 GMT
Yes, we need some good goat porn pics. Vulvas, udders...guesses on who's preggers and when due. We're a very strange bunch here, lol!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2015 15:01:23 GMT
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Post by mzgarden on Nov 14, 2015 16:07:18 GMT
@wintrrwolf,, gotta love the pics. I'm gonna try to get pics of my pregger girls today. They're not as far along.
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Post by mzgarden on Nov 16, 2015 3:35:49 GMT
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Post by copperkid3 on Nov 16, 2015 4:01:30 GMT
@wintrrwolf, Wendy, mzgarden, manygoatsnmore, On that related note, a little help may be needed. I've been noticing that Maggie my oldest Boer doe, has been walking around like a semi pulling a modular home down the roadway....big as a tank, so I've been teasing her that she looks like it's going to be twins or even tripletts... She is not amused. Today, I went out to feed the fowl and of course the herd of goats is up close to the barn in the off-chance that when daddy goes back into the barn to get another scoop of grain for the birds, that a sneaky goat or two or three or even the EVERYONE, can quickly rush the pans and grab a mouthful before I come out screaming for the darn dog to do his job and "GET THOSE GOATS!!!" However, Molly wasn't amoung them (which is strange) as she's usually one of the worst ringleaders. Instead, I see her off a ways down by the pond and lying down. So I head on down to check on her condition and she's breathing a bit harder, but no visible signs of anything 'back there'. I noted that she needed her hoofs trimmed, so went back to the barn and came back and finished the job. Still nothing, but there might have been the sign of a bit of mucus showing. Decided to check back later and yes, there was definitely some mucus, but nothing swollen and her udder is deflated too. Just went back out in the last 20 minutes or so and she has not left her spot, still lying out like a beached whale and breathing more heavy and perhaps a bit of stomach rumbling. At this point, I noticed that there were a large number of loose poops, including an extremely large and wet pile directly beneath her tail area. Hard to tell if there is any mucus showing now, as the diarrhea is a bit messy around there...and she seems to be in a bit of distress with the breathing bit. I should mention that yesterday in the late afternoon, I discovered that 'someone' or someones, managed to force the rear slider open and had helped themselves to a large helping of the bird food; i.e. actually close-out cattle feed with a 12% protein content. Of course there were no volunteers stepping forward when I demanded who all had gotten into it.....well, except for the twins, who even though they know better, continued to try and get the top off the barrel that I'd just replaced; apparently imitating what they'd seen the adults do. I mean afterall, they're goats....how else are they supposed to act?!!! So I'm kinda wondering if Molly could be suffering the delayed affects of too much of a good thing? Instead of just the preggos.... and if so, any tips, suggestions for curing what ails her?
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Post by mzgarden on Nov 16, 2015 5:06:01 GMT
I hope a more experienced person jumps on here. Is she due or is this early? In the meantime, it sounds to me like you found your bird food stealer. Can you give her pepto bismol and make sure she can get to dry hay and water? I think I'd worry about dehydration and then also calcium shortage. If you have CMPK, I'd be considering it for her.
Keeping her in my thoughts and hoping you can provide a positive update.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Nov 16, 2015 11:29:33 GMT
Uh, oh...sounds like she's been in the grain and that is very bad news for goats (or any ruminents). Baking soda, now - drench her if she won't take it orally. Also, I second the CMPK, in case it's ketosis. Any time you have a goat that is down and has diarrhea, you have a very sick goat.
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Post by copperkid3 on Nov 16, 2015 16:48:45 GMT
Well....it was with a sense of dread that I got up this morning; not wanting to see what I feared would be out there. Looking out the window to the place that I'd left her the previous night, I saw....nothing. Hey, that's perhaps a good sign. The rest of the herd was on the south side of the barn and scrounging thru the round bales for the best pieces of hay, but no Molly. ...not such a good sign. Upon closer examination however, I found that she'd somehow managed to waddle up nearly 300+' and climbed up the hill to get closer to the rest her kind. She still looked miserable and allowed me to approach without getting flighty or flinching....which she usually does. Which is how I know she's really not feeling well. She's ginormas....I keep forgetting which it is; do the babies usually protrude from the left of the right sides? She's big on BOTH, but probably protrudes a bit more on the her right side. I'll see if I can get some baking soda in her soon here. Will update later.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Nov 16, 2015 19:56:14 GMT
It's good that she's up and around. Yes, I'd still get some baking soda into her, but it sounds like she's doing better. Rumen on the left side, kids are on the right, stuck in the middle with you, lol! Sounds like twins or trips.
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Post by copperkid3 on Nov 17, 2015 21:43:02 GMT
Well... bad and good news....
Went into town to get some baking soda and some calcium solution and upon going to check on her, found her back under her favorite oak tree overlooking the pond. She looked pitiful and refused to budge when I approached. I stroked her head and sides and then went to get some loose minerals which they ALL dearly love and tried to get her interested in it. She wouldn't even touch it. Tried putting some baking soda next and she actually looked terrified at the thought of it touching her lips!!!
Figured she was probably too far gone and left her to her own miseries. Surprise, surprise!
This morning her 'body' wasn't down by the pond; instead she was up in the back behind the barn with the rest of the herd who were wolving down mouthfuls of hay from the round bales. She wasn't eating, but seemed to be alert and even moved away slowly....waddling back and forth as she made her exit at the gate. I was able to catch her and talk with her (albreit a bit one-sided) and although her rear is a bit of a mess, she is much, much better in attitude and mobility.
I think she's gonna be alright.
They say goats are extremely intelligent and remember every little trick in the book.
Too bad they never seem to learn anything when it comes to getting into the 'forbidden' grain barrels and pig out!
I'll betcha that tomorrow, if given half a chance, she'd be right out there with her face stuffing itself full again.
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Post by mzgarden on Nov 18, 2015 0:58:17 GMT
copperkid3, It sounds hopeful that she's on the mend.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Nov 18, 2015 17:51:10 GMT
CDT anti-toxin would be a good idea, too. Then I'd suggest a double gate system to let you get that grain without them being able to charge you and get to the feed bin.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 14:51:37 GMT
It is funny everything they go through is a learning experience for us, it is always good news when they survive our learning curve I have all this stuff in my goat medicine cabinet but what I use the most is probios, Baking soda and Pepto for upset stomachs, diarrhea, or bloat. After raising goats for years for the first time I experienced the results of "bad" hay, there was no smell or moldy look to this hay but I had 6 goats coming down sick...thought it was parasites. Lost 4 when I realized what I was dealing with had to rush to farm and feed store get antitoxin and CD&T vaccine then run to drug store and get Milk of Magnesia. Managed to save the last 2 showing symptoms, one of which was a pregnant doe...she aborted. Now all my goats get the CD&T vaccine. That was one learning curve I don't wish to repeat. Am so glad your girl is doing better but I would suggest since she was off her feed for a few days make sure she gets some probios.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2015 14:56:39 GMT
Today we have icy rain and snow mix= nasty weather...Vanilla will probable kid today (stupid Doe code)
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Post by mzgarden on Nov 29, 2015 18:55:52 GMT
@wintrrwolf, Just wondering how Vanilla is doing?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 2:35:30 GMT
Sorry was gone from here a bit. Cut my mid bus route out, was getting so exhausted I was barely making it home. So good news Vanilla kidded out December 11 at 12:30 pm on a nice sunny day 2 baby girls. Then Pawnee surprised the heck outta me and started labor on the 13th (this was suppose to be her off year) 1 baby boy. I guess not to be left out Pebbles followed on friday the 18th with a large girl and little boy. Vanilla did great all on her own, Pawnee wouldn't let the little boy nurse at first so had some work there plus she didn't really have an udder(she does now), and Pebbles did good kidding but her colostrum was very thick and the little boy was having trouble nursing, etc... Nibbler is hug as a house, udder is starting to form, ligs are tight so got a bit of a wait on her Faline, Summer, and Purty not sure if they bred this year didn't catch them in the act so to speak... got a lot of pics but have to load them up to photobucket...will post them soon
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Post by barefootfarmer on Dec 20, 2015 4:01:06 GMT
I always say I love my cows first and best, but there is absolutely nothing better than a kid. My happiest place on my farm is sitting in the goat barn while they jump all over the place. Congrats on all the new kids!
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Post by shellymay on Dec 20, 2015 13:03:44 GMT
Congrads on the newest arrivals and pictures are a must have Glad everyone is over their small humps and all is good!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2015 16:29:59 GMT
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Post by mzgarden on Dec 20, 2015 18:04:20 GMT
@wintrrwolf, love those kids.
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Post by shellymay on Dec 20, 2015 23:31:52 GMT
Cuteness overload, love all the colors
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Post by Deleted on Dec 23, 2015 3:50:06 GMT
ya seems i got a very flashy bunch of kiddo's so far, having a really hard time deciding which to keep... The first pic with Vanilla's kids I decided to name Noel and Holly, Third pic is Pawnee's boy and one of my students on my bus said I should name him Jack Frost or Frosty...? Last pic is Pebbles kids this year she gave me twins the girl is in the corner and the boy looks a lot like Pawnee's boy but darker. He is on the small side, his sister is much bigger I have been supplementing him with a bottle Pebbles seems a bit confused with having 2 last 2 kiddings she has given me a single doeling.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 24, 2015 22:52:28 GMT
Well Nibbler kidded today. Unfortunately it was way to early, from what I can tell the buckling died before she started kidding, he was coming hocks first had a friend hold her so I could go in - there was no pushing him back to reposition, got his legs out and the rest was pretty easy but what disturbed me was one of his front legs had grown up over his shoulder...I had stepped away with the body to dispose of it came back and she had a tiny little girl this one was gone as well. The worst thing is I think her death was my fault because her umbilical cord was torn maybe bled out before coming out. Neither one had any lower teeth at all. Nibbler seemed depressed I gave her some cmpk, b complex and hay and she settled right down to eat. I took the little boy that I had been bottle feeding (born on Friday) and covered him with "goo" so I am hoping she takes to him...
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Dec 28, 2015 7:40:02 GMT
@wintrrwolf, so sorry that the last kidding didn't go as well, but it really sounds like something was wrong right from the start. I don't think you did anything wrong. From your description, they were quite premature and that little doeling wouldn't have made it even if the umbilical cord wasn't torn, and I doubt you made the cord tear, either.
Did she take your bottle baby?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2016 16:21:08 GMT
Sad days here Nibbler started to take to the little boy but the first night we had cold cold temps and rain, next morning I found him and his sister dead apparently they were on the bottom of the goat pile...lost Pawnee's boy 2 weeks later. After reading up with Nibbler kidding early and the symptoms Pawnee's boy was having (I was treating him for white muscle disease and then floppy kid) lack of Selenium in their diet can be the cause for premature kiddings as well. I blame myself for this was trying out new feeding regimen during the spring summer and fall so I will not repeat that again. I still have Holly and Noel, Noel is a little bugger she goes around and steals milk from Pebbles and Nibbler which maybe why she is a little bigger than Holly who sticks by mom's side.
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Post by mzgarden on Jan 10, 2016 19:49:18 GMT
@wintrrwolf, I am so sorry. When things are back on an even keel maybe you can help us understand what feeding regimen you tried that you think contributed to these very sad circumstances.
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