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Post by bergere on Apr 4, 2015 21:53:47 GMT
Hi All, I make bread, I have made bread for a very long time, and have lived all over the US. Never had a single problem until I moved here. I make no salt added bread, so flour quality is very important. It was driving me silly, no matter what I did, or what yeast I used.... the bread was just not rising like I was used too. 2nd time making Hamburger buns using only Bob Red mill Organic flour... again a perfect rise. So all the trouble I was having, was because of the King Arthur Flour. Never used that brand before I moved here. Started using it, because, Bob Red Mill is super spendy in this part of the US and I can't get the Azure Standards wonderful organic flour here. Think I will have to find a way to use all Bob Reds Mill Organic flour, even if it costs $9.00+ + tax for 5lbs. Has anyone else moved, and then, at least for awhile, found it challenging to get the bread to rise?
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Post by kawaiitimes on Apr 4, 2015 23:47:22 GMT
All of my bread woes end up being my own fault. My biggest "duh" problem is that I turn the bread machine and the dishwasher on at the same time (my machine sits right above the dishwasher) and the heat & steam kills every loaf. Do I learn my lesson and stagger them? Only about none of the time.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 3:08:35 GMT
Bergere! Funny you should say that. I started using KAF last couple of years and my pound cakes don't stay up. They fall. I've seen Bobs Red Mill in the stores, but haven't tried it. I may have to do it. Another problem I had with the pound cakes is opening the kitchen door while baking.(especially in the winter) A no no. I didn't have problems with the bread using KAF though. It rose and baked fine and came out tasty. I used RedStar yeast.
From what i gather, much of the wheat is now GMO anyway so it's gonna be hard to find dependable flour any more. Perhaps that is what 'they' have in mind.
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Post by Maura on Apr 5, 2015 3:22:03 GMT
Where are you now?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 5, 2015 7:05:01 GMT
Me? I'm in Illinois.
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Post by Skandi on Apr 5, 2015 8:20:44 GMT
Yes I had exactly that problem, in Denmark white bread is nowhere near as common, so getting hold of high protein flour was a challenge, 10% just doesn't make good bread. And to get wholemeal, well that is practicaly impossible, they sell it in 1lb bags for a stupid price, (about $2) So I ordered 50lb of that from a british organic mill. and I have found 12% flour in lidl for $2 for 2lb it's still a lot more expensive than home. but at least it works, and I can have fluffy bread again. I am wondering about asking the local bakers.. maybe they could sort me out with a bag of good white flour..
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Post by bergere on Apr 5, 2015 13:11:10 GMT
I much prefer non GMO Organic flour. Had an allergy test done back when I lived in Oregon, and I was allergic to GMO Wheat. Also find the organic flour works much better for me.
Maura, am in Virginia in Caroline County. Lots of Big, big GMO farms around here. Sigh~~
Glad you finally found some flour Skandi, though is sounds spendy there too. Good flour can make all the difference in the world!
Osiris, if you live over on the West Coast, you also have access to Azure Standard, they have some wonderful Organic flour too, highly recommend them.
Kawaiitimes, do you have a table or some place else to use your bread machine on? I have a Hoosier cabinet with a dry sink, I can put my bread machine on. Though 90% of the time, I just use it for the first two kneading and risings. Then finish up the last by hand, either making loaf bread or hamburger buns.
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Post by mollymckee on Apr 5, 2015 13:20:08 GMT
There isn't much GMO wheat around here. Nationally, I don't think there is much planted, but if they plant it in your area you might get it. I don't think that is the problem. When we lived in the Houston area the high humidity made a difference as did the air conditioning running. I learned to raise bread in my oven with the light on. It made a difference for me.
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Post by katievt on Apr 9, 2015 17:11:33 GMT
My mother has been using King Arthur Flour quite a bit lately. She's been on a Sourdough kick! Her bread rises wonderfully and is SO yummy.
I used to make "normal" bread on a weekly basis. Mostly I ground the wheatberries myself, but after the grain mill broke, I used KAF with no problems.
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Post by bergere on Apr 9, 2015 20:39:54 GMT
You are most likely using salt in your recipes? I make no salt added bread. Makes a big difference on how it turns out. Try Bob Reds Mill some time.. you might be surprised.
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Post by karenp on Apr 11, 2015 12:43:41 GMT
I don't believe that GMO wheat is in production at this time. It has been tested. They do use glyophosate to kill the wheat for drying so there is residue.
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Post by bergere on Apr 18, 2015 15:42:50 GMT
They found some growing in Oregon, there was a big blow up about it. Google it. It is showing up, in various places. Once that stuff is out...its out.
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Post by bergere on Apr 18, 2015 19:00:11 GMT
From what I hear, back when, Monasanto did some under the table testing, when they were told to stop....... If they ever did.... Should get a bread Machine Redfish... makes it very easy to make loaves of bread.
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Post by bergere on Apr 20, 2015 20:45:56 GMT
With the make of bread machine I have, makes good loaf bread. But if you wanted, you could use it in Dough setting. Then take it out, knead and shape it, put it in a loaf pan and bake it that way. Is easy, honest!
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Post by ardiefromwi on Apr 20, 2015 21:09:33 GMT
With the make of bread machine I have, makes good loaf bread. But if you wanted, you could use it in Dough setting. Then take it out, knead and shape it, put it in a loaf pan and bake it that way. Is easy, honest! I've been making bread for 50 years. I can't do it by hand anymore so I go to Goodwill and bought cheap bread machines. I have four costing $5.00 to $10.00 a piece. When one dies, I go buy another! The one I am using currently has lasted almost 2 years. I use the dough feature, take it out, knead it, shape it and let it rise in the pan until double in size Then I bake it. Works for me!.
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Post by hobbitlady on Apr 20, 2015 21:17:06 GMT
I was given a free bread machine-old model Breadman- last Fall and I got hooked quick! I really wanted to remain "by hand" BUT at least I know how and decided to relax my old fashioned ideal. I spent 10 years making bread by hand but I'm 61 now and I just wasn't kneading it well enough...didn't have the best conditions for it to rise... I GUESS...you'd think Those muscles would be permanent by Now. My loaves were sporadically door-stops or great but always somewhat heavy.
My problem with the bread machine is that it uses more white flour than I want and if I tweak the recipes it falls;then is dense like my old ones-hahahah-. I'm still experimenting though and am a bread-machine beginner.
Well,it's so darn easy to have sandwich bread from the machine I'm adding all that white flour after all. I never knew that salt made such a difference....just the need for enough sugar for the yeast.That's interesting. Well,the dough cycle makes pizza crust better than I ever Could (even with a pizza dough BOOK) and DH is ecstatic over more bread for toast. So I'm a convert. Yeah! Azure Standard is great. I grind my dark red winter wheat from them and get lots of seeds and supplies.Drop off is ONE mile from our place...gotta love it!
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Post by kawaiitimes on Apr 20, 2015 22:29:44 GMT
I adore my bread machine. My only gripe is that its paddle is just a little too small, and if I'm not home to check on it when it mixes, sometimes the ingredients shift and I end up with a brick. Luckily, it doesn't happen often, and if I'm home I can peek in and see if there's an issue from the start.
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Post by gardenelf on Apr 21, 2015 1:27:48 GMT
Have you tried checking the "store finder" feature of the Bob's Red Mill website? They may show you some stores that maybe you didn't know sell it. Perhaps at a lower cost.
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Post by gardenelf on Apr 21, 2015 1:29:42 GMT
Those hamburger rolls look mighty tasty! Are they easy to make?
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Post by bergere on Apr 21, 2015 9:46:55 GMT
Bobs Red Mill flour is hard to find on this side of the country. Is an Oregon flour. People in this area, do not seem to be organic oriented. Did check their site and I can have flour shipped, but the shipping would make even more spendy than buying it at Wegmans. They are good hamburger buns, very easy to make.
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Post by solargeek on Apr 21, 2015 12:00:45 GMT
Bobs Red Mill flour is hard to find on this side of the country. Is an Oregon flour. People in this area, do not seem to be organic oriented. Did check their site and I can have flour shipped, but the shipping would make even more spendy than buying it at Wegmans. They are good hamburger buns, very easy to make. Order from Walmart. Note this apparently is for 4 packages @ 5lbs. each. I ordered KAF this way. 1 came broken so I called and got free replacement. If you can cobble together an order big enough, shipping is free. I order all my stuff from Walmart as they are in a price war (at least on most goods) with Amazon. www.walmart.com/ip/Bob-s-Red-Mill-Unbleached-White-Flour-5-lb-Pack-of-4/22389123
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Post by gardenelf on Apr 21, 2015 17:09:27 GMT
I did not realize they are based out in Oregon. I'm in NY and we can get a bunch of their products here from Ocean State Job Lots. I haven't seen their organic flour, but we buy their whole wheat flour. I did do a quick store location search and Ocean State seems to be a Northeast store, so that doesn't help you out any.
Walmart or Amazon may be useful if you wanted to have a lot of it all at once to keep the shipping costs down.
The only other thing I can think of would be to buy a wheat grinder and start grinding your own wheat berries. That may or may not be do-able.
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Post by karenp on Apr 22, 2015 14:11:42 GMT
Bobs Red Mill flour is hard to find on this side of the country. Is an Oregon flour. People in this area, do not seem to be organic oriented. Did check their site and I can have flour shipped, but the shipping would make even more spendy than buying it at Wegmans. They are good hamburger buns, very easy to make. Do you have Food Lion near you? The ones in our area (lower DE) carry a lot of Bobs Red Mill products.
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