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Post by mzgarden on Mar 6, 2016 12:33:13 GMT
For those of you that pull babies at birth and bottle feed right away -- we couldn't manage that with our schedule - next year hopefully.
So, plan B was to leave them with mom for 2 weeks. After that, they are in a kid pen at 6pm overnight and the moms are in a separate pen directly across the barn. We come out at 6am and milk out moms, warm and feed the milk back to the babies in bottles - so it's been about 12 hours for them. The rest of the day the babies are with moms.
The babies are energetic, have little tummies and are growing great. It's been a week since we started this and I feel like we're not making progress with bottle feeding. The babies are just not interested in the bottle and it's a real battle to get them to take even 6 ounces. We're using the same lamb nipples on soda bottles we used last year with our bottle baby buck & wether, but they were bottle babies from birth before we got them. These kids will not come to the bottle, so I sit on a hay bale and back the baby up to the bale between my legs, hold it's chin up and get the nipple into their mouth, making sure it's on top of their tongue. But it's a struggle.
So, for those of you that switch at 2 weeks from 100% dam raising to morning bottles -- is there a trick we're missing or does it just take this long to convince them the bottle is food and a good thing?
As always, your perspective is appreciated.
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Post by Wendy on Mar 6, 2016 12:52:32 GMT
If you are leaving them with mom the rest of the day there is no reason to give them a bottle in the morning. As long as they are eating off of their moms they will probably not take to the bottle very well. If you pulled them at 2 weeks & bottle fed only, they would eventually get that the only time they are going to eat is when you feed them. If you are turning them back out with mom to eat off of her all day, they are going to continue to prefer her.
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Post by motdaugrnds on Mar 6, 2016 13:34:24 GMT
I agree with Wendy. Since those kids are nursing their dams through the day, they will be getting plenty of milk.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 6, 2016 14:23:53 GMT
I third that! That is what I did before I started pulling kids. Never had an issue. If you are really worried about it you can leave a little milk left in the udder but you really don't need to do that. I find that the does that dam raise always hold some milk for the kids
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Post by Wendy on Mar 6, 2016 19:56:46 GMT
I'm just curious as to why you are giving them a bottle?
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Post by mzgarden on Mar 6, 2016 23:56:55 GMT
mzgarden , Wendy , motdaugrnds ,@goatlady ,@redfish , As always, thanks for the inputs. I think this is my mistaken understanding and it turned out I'm fighting goat nature. So my thought was they would be hungry enough and would take a bottle. This would help socialize a dam-raised kid and make them more tame and thus easier to sell. In truth, I think I'm confusing & irritating them. They like momma better and are putting up with me trying to get them to take a bottle but it's not going to make them any more social. This year, for whatever reason, Nubians are the fad for 4H but they all want weaned but bottle-raised babies. Oh well. Based on your inputs, I am changing tact immediately. Since moms are good and babies are healthy and happy -- mom's do all the milk-feeding, I'll offer grain and hay, milk the moms and I make more yogurt I will spend more quiet time with the babies in a smaller pen to let them learn to trust me and offer treats - like their pellets and maybe a raisin or two. We'll take it from there and do the best we can -- so much to learn and so glad you guys are quick to offer your inputs!
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Post by motdaugrnds on Mar 7, 2016 1:13:03 GMT
mzgarden, You're such a smart lady adapting so quickly to what you learn. By spending time with them, they will "watch" how their moms interact with you and will follow suit, i.e. pet the moms and babies will come over for pets.
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Post by mzgarden on Mar 7, 2016 14:18:44 GMT
You folks are the best goat mentors! (that's our new girl we're keeping - Coco Chanel)
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Post by countrymom22 on Mar 8, 2016 0:17:06 GMT
mzgarden, you answered my question before I could ask it! I was wondering why you were trying to bottle feed if you were still going to leave the kids with their moms. Thanks for the clarification!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 3:26:46 GMT
How's the bottle feeding going? Any luck?
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Post by mzgarden on Mar 12, 2016 12:21:47 GMT
@goatlady, thanks for checking back in. We basically stopped trying. We separate the kids about 6pm, milk the girls at 6am. Play with the kids in their separate pen and then let everybody out for the mayhem that is kids running crazy It's working out well, the kids are happy to see us now - probably because we're not manhandling them with a bottle they didn't want. Everybody is happy and we have deposits on two of the 3 boys, so we're happy with a lot less stress. Oh and milk, yogurt, and cheese are yummy too.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 12, 2016 21:55:02 GMT
Glad they are doing good and getting friendlier! Everyone is bottle raised here, just had twin does born earlier today. They are gonna be brats, I can tell!
We are getting 30+ pounds of milk a day right now. Time for me to break out the pasteurizer and start making cheese too. I cannot wait until weaning! Still have a few left to pop then I'm DONE!
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