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Post by bluemingidiot on Sept 11, 2016 1:10:19 GMT
"Climate change, Mr. Obama often says, is the greatest long-term threat facing the world, as well as a danger already manifesting itself as droughts, storms, heat waves and flooding. More than health care, more than righting a sinking economic ship, more than the historic first of an African-American president, he believes that his efforts to slow the warming of the planet will be the most consequential legacy of his presidency." www.nytimes.com/2016/09/08/us/politics/obama-climate-change.html?hpw&rref=science&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region®ion=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=0Are "droughts, storms, heat waves and flooding" indications of climate change? |
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Post by here to stay on Sept 11, 2016 1:35:47 GMT
Well the nice thing about Obama's 'amorphous, unseen nature of the threat' is that you can't be proven wrong either. So go ahead, heap the praise on yourself for if you don't, who is going to?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 11, 2016 23:53:31 GMT
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Post by themotherhen on Sept 12, 2016 3:38:20 GMT
As good stewards of the beautiful planet that we reside on, I am all for limiting the dumping of garbage and dangerous chemicals. I think it would be super cool if car emissions could be limited, if one lives in a big city, asthma and cognitive problems in children multiply.
That being said, I find a strange hypocrisy from our left leaning friends being mad about everyone not riding bikes, and their own use of enormous planes. 1 plane is the equivalent of 10,000 care.
My argument is, the globalists that want to make policy, damage our environment every. Single. Day.
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Post by sugarspinner on Sept 12, 2016 15:05:23 GMT
" Are "droughts, storms, heat waves and flooding" indications of climate change? How about they're just being indications of "weather change?" We had a drought and heat wave this summer. I certainly was glad when it changed to rain storms, even if there was some flooding. Only if you live in some "weather neutral" spots, such as Hawaii, are you likely to have no weather changes. Yes, we have climate change but there have always been those; for thousands of years. Let's focus on those things we really can fix. Now. I am so tired of the rants about those things that are mostly cosmetic but not important in the light of eternity. |
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Post by here to stay on Sept 12, 2016 15:41:30 GMT
One of the problems is that there are inherent contradictions in most climate change policies that seem to defy rational discussion. Lack of transportation is cited as a deficiency creating poverty yet moving people around, whether by car or mass transit, creates green house gases. Bicycling wouldn't create as much (although I would gasp out more than my share of carbon dioxide) but is also not compatable with the idea that crowding into essentially ghettos is a violation of human rights, not to mention the authoritarianism of needed policing to make travel by bicycle safe would unacceptably target the disadvantaged. My favorite contradiction of liberal values is that preserving forests is good for the planet but that the loss of any ability to create income in such places creates poverty wholesale there. Yet try to persuade any hotspots of liberal high wages that THEY should pony up the money to support people left in these eco deserts created by their population's votes. No tree cutting in places they don't live while a Starbucks on every corner where they do. But they still get into the cars to drive past all those boring forests on vacations.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2016 20:50:44 GMT
I have a question for Bluemingidiot. I had assumed that since this topic was posted in the Weather Forum that the purpose was for a discussion about the effects of climate change and I'm always interested in talks about weather and climate change. But maybe I was mistaken about your intent, so I'll ask now, is this topic supposed to be about the effects of global climate change or is it supposed to be about presidents, people, politics and policies in the United States of America? If it's only supposed to be about p,p,p & p's in the USA then I'll bow out and say no more in this thread since I'm not interested in discussing any of that stuff. If it's supposed to be about the very evident growing trends of extreme weather and climate events that have already started happening around the world and being caused by global climate change then I'll contribute this one additional article about the fingerprints of climate change which provides a few more answers to the direct question you asked in Post #1. www.nytimes.com/2016/08/02/science/looking-quickly-for-the-fingerprints-of-climate-change.html?action=click&contentCollection=Politics&module=RelatedCoverage®ion=EndOfArticle&pgtype=article. |
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Post by bluemingidiot on Sept 12, 2016 22:17:27 GMT
If reasonable, learned men, who have spent their lives studying the Bible, and the peoples, the languages, and lands referred to therein can disagree as the meanings of specific scriptures, I am certainly going to welcome and respect yours and others interpretations regarding the meaning of an opening post (though I may disagree). Starting a thread to me is kind of like planting a pumpkin seed, you're never really sure how many vines it is going to grow. Some vines are certainly more productive than others but until you pick the pumpkins it is hard to tell which vines were best.
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