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Post by snoozy on Dec 20, 2021 19:02:50 GMT
Just got my Moderna booster. Absolutely painless. I literally could not feel the needle go in, so if you are avoiding the jab because of the needle, just please believe me that it does not hurt at all.
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Post by bluemingidiot on Dec 21, 2021 7:50:13 GMT
"This isn't going to hurt at all" reminds me of "Easy to assemble."
"Trypanophobia, fear of needles, also known as needle phobia, is the extreme fear of medical procedures involving injections or hypodermic needles. It is a Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders recognized phobia affecting approximately 50 million Americans, making it a top-ten American fear."
I'm not at all sure that people who are afraid of needles are afraid of pain.
I also am not sure that the psychologists and psychiatrists telling these people how they need to handle the fear, have the fear.
Whatever, Joe Biden wants to take away income from these 50 million American without giving unemployment compensation. Not very compassionate.
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Post by countrymom22 on Dec 22, 2021 22:52:00 GMT
Not everyone is afraid of the needles or the pain. Many are afraid of the side effects that they are denying. A client missed her appointment today because she got her booster shot yesterday (Moderna) and within 5 hours her arm swelled up until she couldn't bend or lift it and within 10 hours started to turn black. She spent the night in the hospital and has been told to stay home and not get any other shots/boosters that may come along later.
Considering that is usually takes between 7 and 10 years to bring a new vaccine to the market, these have been rushed and many don't feel that they are safe. Goodness knows we aren't getting the full story from anyone.
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Post by Woodpecker on Dec 22, 2021 23:33:47 GMT
I was very surprised that I had no reaction at all to the booster, not even a sore arm! I’m wondering if they injected water or something else stead. 🙄
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Post by grannyg on Dec 23, 2021 0:28:19 GMT
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Post by wolfmom on Dec 27, 2021 15:27:30 GMT
Nope - no shot(s), but will get one if it prevents me from doing something I really want to do (emphasis on really).
Too many contradictory statements being issued as more is coming out about effects of the shots that should have been done prior to shot release. Its no longer about science, its about the economy and politics. Why are the manufacturers protected? We can't sue them. Why is one manufacturer allowed not to disclose all ingredients in the "vaccine"? And my questions go on and on and on....
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Post by snoozy on Dec 27, 2021 16:46:49 GMT
Do you have reason to sue them? I don't.
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Post by bowdonkey on Dec 27, 2021 20:02:42 GMT
Nope - no shot(s), but will get one if it prevents me from doing something I really want to do (emphasis on really). Too many contradictory statements being issued as more is coming out about effects of the shots that should have been done prior to shot release. Its no longer about science, its about the economy and politics. Why are the manufacturers protected? We can't sue them. Why is one manufacturer allowed not to disclose all ingredients in the "vaccine"? And my questions go on and on and on.... And the manufacturers want a 75 year wait before releasing info about their vaccine. I work for the state and they had a 9 page document that demanded vaccination or weekly testing. I did neither and am still employed. Too many legal problems for the state to enforce. But it was their no liability clause that caused me to refuse all of it. As an aside only one other employee besides me refused to comply. We both are still working. I'll see what the new year brings, it may be time to retire.
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Post by countrymom22 on Dec 27, 2021 21:59:43 GMT
With all the doctors that I've been seeing lately, as I'm getting ready for surgery, only 1 even asked about my vaccination status! I don't think the medical community is all that crazy about the vaccination plans either. And you're completely right, wolfmom. This whole thing stopped being about the virus and became about control and politics a long time ago. While I was vaccinated, I don't think I'll be getting any boosters.
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Post by jenn on Jan 20, 2022 18:23:28 GMT
Those of you who have /are about to get a booster, are you going for the same brand you got initially or a different brand? My husband and I had the Moderna vaccine, and our boosters were Moderna as well. When we made our appointments online, we were asked which vaccine we'd originally gotten but weren't offered a choice for the booster. Oddly (maybe), I don't know anyone up here who got the Pfizer vaccine originally - no matter where they were vaxxed in this area, it was Moderna. Your question did trigger a memory of something else my son said - that he wouldn't have had to wait an entire week to get an appointment for the booster if he wanted Pfizer, but he chose to stick with Moderna, since that was what his first shots were. Ddil had the Pfizer vaccines originally, and will be getting the Pfizer booster this week. So long answer short (long?), our immediate family is all getting boosted with the same brands as our original vaccines. Pfizer needed more intensive cold storage so more likely (earlier on) to be offered at the bigger hospitals. Must be changing depending on where your son got his. Me and DH got ours early on at Army clinic (only normal cold storage, Moderna) but moms got Pfizer at hospital drive thru a bit later. Then when I got my third Moderna shot- early for immunocompromised- had to go to a small town Walgreens since the big town had only Pfizer by then even at pharmacies. Think DH switched to Pfizer when he got his booster, the moms did not. Shot shy DD waited until JnJ and one stick (but also got booster of same eventually) was on offer. At least she got her flu shot this year- first time she was old enough to refuse it at 16 (the shot nurse refused to hold down a 16 year old had I asked her to force it on her) was the year she had to go to ER where sure enough she had flu. When the US (like Israel already) recommends 4th shot for immunocompromised I will probly get a pfizer.
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Post by jenn on Jan 20, 2022 18:36:10 GMT
I've got an appt in two weeks for a Moderna booster. So I'm going Moderna all the way. If there is a walk-in opportunity before that in the city when I happen to be going there, I might get one sooner. I'm also thinking to have them jab me in the other shoulder, instead of the same shoulder that I got the previous two shots in. Maybe I can minimize the sore arm effect that way. May not make a difference. My godson's girlfriend's mother died of covid last week. She had had a bad stroke about 6mos ago. Trying to deal with a stroke patient during covid times is quite a challenge. She was in a skilled nursing facility when she caught covid and died. I don't know if she was vaccinated. I am so glad now our moms (MIL, mom) are not in nursing homes (NH). MIL is in independent living at a NH facility and has given up going to dining room to eat (she gets 2 meals daily, now delivered) since it's closed half the time lately due to someone being covid positive, and we were all upset that she hears she'd been exposed there right in time to infect us when she celebrated Xmas with us and pregnant DD. Affecting my long term plans for my mom, will expect her to live with us next move we make if she doesn't need skilled nursing facility (SNF) before then. Have a good (90 yo) friend whose wife has been in NH/rehab for about 2 years now- went in very well for hip repair right as covid started and has been stuck in rehab isolating and quarantining through multiple rounds of covid spreading through the facility. Her DH spent a year seeing her only through the window, and I sadly note that had she not been healthy rehabbing from hip repair but ill enough to need SNF she might have perished during her own infection with covid while htere.
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Post by jenn on Jan 20, 2022 18:56:51 GMT
Not everyone is afraid of the needles or the pain. Many are afraid of the side effects that they are denying. A client missed her appointment today because she got her booster shot yesterday (Moderna) and within 5 hours her arm swelled up until she couldn't bend or lift it and within 10 hours started to turn black. She spent the night in the hospital and has been told to stay home and not get any other shots/boosters that may come along later. Considering that is usually takes between 7 and 10 years to bring a new vaccine to the market, these have been rushed and many don't feel that they are safe. Goodness knows we aren't getting the full story from anyone. Please believe the experts (I know, not easy for everyone) and ME a medical doctor that the vaccines got just about the full process others do (once it was regular FDA not emergency use approval) just speeded up by throwing a lot more time, money, and workers at the job. Think about it- most take 7-10 years because the company has 5 people working on it off and on, and 40 other drugs/ vaccines in the works, and lots of slow paperwork proving it works and getting copyrights and FDA approval. If the companies have 100 people working on it and fast track paperwork with government agency help the 7-10 years can be curtailed a good bit. And even though most new drugs have 10 years of research using it in people, it's 10 years using it in a few thousand people here or worldwide (or worse yet, colonial exploitation of a few thousand people in a poor country desperate for medical help and less likely to sue if things go wrong), not a year of using it in millions. Minor changes to it and expanding who can get it as we have had smaller groups getting it outside approved groups (pregnant women and kids whose doctors and families agreed the risk of being the first such people getting the vaccine outweighed the risks of getting the virus unvaccinated) also are taking place a little faster than usual drugs given the importance of protecting those vulnerable populations from the virus. The side effects are real, and do occur, but unless you're sure that you won't ever catch the virus (are you really alone on a space ship headed to Mars?) they are less likely to be worse for you than getting the virus unvaccinated. But I have lots of acquaintances (heartbreakingly in families where they don't all agree so have even held divided holidays) who have come to believe the vaccine will kill them etc. etc. I am very sorry that certain sources are broadcasting these untruths and putting their listeners at risk of worse cases if they are infected. I really wish as a doc and worried about my colleagues in the trenches that if you don't take your doctor's advice to get vaccinated, you don't go to him later if you need an ICU bed for your covid (don't worry, I'm retired, I won't be refusing anyone care). And that the antivax chiropracter and dentist in our area take their victims into their own homes should they need intensive care when they get covid.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Jan 26, 2022 5:17:51 GMT
Not everyone is afraid of the needles or the pain. Many are afraid of the side effects that they are denying. A client missed her appointment today because she got her booster shot yesterday (Moderna) and within 5 hours her arm swelled up until she couldn't bend or lift it and within 10 hours started to turn black. She spent the night in the hospital and has been told to stay home and not get any other shots/boosters that may come along later. Considering that is usually takes between 7 and 10 years to bring a new vaccine to the market, these have been rushed and many don't feel that they are safe. Goodness knows we aren't getting the full story from anyone. Please believe the experts (I know, not easy for everyone) and ME a medical doctor that the vaccines got just about the full process others do (once it was regular FDA not emergency use approval) just speeded up by throwing a lot more time, money, and workers at the job. Think about it- most take 7-10 years because the company has 5 people working on it off and on, and 40 other drugs/ vaccines in the works, and lots of slow paperwork proving it works and getting copyrights and FDA approval. If the companies have 100 people working on it and fast track paperwork with government agency help the 7-10 years can be curtailed a good bit. And even though most new drugs have 10 years of research using it in people, it's 10 years using it in a few thousand people here or worldwide (or worse yet, colonial exploitation of a few thousand people in a poor country desperate for medical help and less likely to sue if things go wrong), not a year of using it in millions. Minor changes to it and expanding who can get it as we have had smaller groups getting it outside approved groups (pregnant women and kids whose doctors and families agreed the risk of being the first such people getting the vaccine outweighed the risks of getting the virus unvaccinated) also are taking place a little faster than usual drugs given the importance of protecting those vulnerable populations from the virus. The side effects are real, and do occur, but unless you're sure that you won't ever catch the virus (are you really alone on a space ship headed to Mars?) they are less likely to be worse for you than getting the virus unvaccinated. But I have lots of acquaintances (heartbreakingly in families where they don't all agree so have even held divided holidays) who have come to believe the vaccine will kill them etc. etc. I am very sorry that certain sources are broadcasting these untruths and putting their listeners at risk of worse cases if they are infected. I really wish as a doc and worried about my colleagues in the trenches that if you don't take your doctor's advice to get vaccinated, you don't go to him later if you need an ICU bed for your covid (don't worry, I'm retired, I won't be refusing anyone care). And that the antivax chiropracter and dentist in our area take their victims into their own homes should they need intensive care when they get covid. Thank you, thank you, THANK YOU! Finally, someone else here speaking sanity to a world where it seems every bit of misinformation and every conspiracy theory is believed far beyond any medical professional or scientist. 🙄 I get so frustrated by people who will take horse wormer as a supposed preventive or cure, because they saw it on line or on one of the far right talk shows and believe as gospel anything said there. Meanwhile, they vilify scientists and doctors that just want to save lives and end a pandemic. Just because someone gets a paycheck from a government health agency, doesn't mean they don't care about patients. Not everything related to the government is a conspiracy to control citizens! 🤯
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Post by jenn on Jan 26, 2022 12:54:04 GMT
If you trust your doctor for years (I know, some of us don't have a doctor they've known for years, or don't trust 'em anyway) why all of a sudden assume they are trying to harm you on this one aspect?
A friend locally just got out of the hospital after catching covid (has had 2 shots) and then getting a severe case of gallbladder infection. So not really hospitalized for the usual covid breathing issues- but the surgeon said this is the SIXTH case he's done with covid caused/related gall bladder attack.
Friend had gallstones for years no problems, and was going to get gall bladder removed as a routine procedure this year, but covid seemed to bring on a severe necrotic infection of it- possibly from its known effect of causing blood vessels to block and kill off tissue (like a mini heart attack but of the gall bladder lining). Gall bladder was apparently full of pus and holes. Friend was pretty tough- put up with pain of that until fever 104.
Aside from covid causing gall bladder problems, covid keeping friend from getting earlier gallbladder surgery contributed indirectly.
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Jan 27, 2022 0:35:09 GMT
I know we're veering slightly off topic, but my older dd underwent a hyster last week AS SAME DAY SURGERY! 🤯 She had cervical cancer, and if she had needed to stay in the hospital for post op and pain management, she could not have had the surgery due to the number of Covid patients taking up beds. Even non-elective surgeries are being postponed as our area is still seeing very high transmission rates.
Unfortunately, I live in a part of my state that has a very high percentage of people who listen to misinformation, on Covid, on vaccines, on masks, on Trump, on "election fraud", yadda yadda. If someone won't be vaccinated and won't wear a mask, it's not rocket science to expect Covid rates to explode, especially with a variant like Omicron that is so very contagious and has mutated enough that breakthrough cases of infection are happening to even vaxed and boosted folks.
After doing everything I can do to avoid catching Covid, I find myself becoming really resentful of being put at risk by people who refuse to do ANYTHING to prevent the spread of Covid. 😤 "MY BODY, MY CHOICE", they cry, but in the case of Covid, their choice affects many others who don't have a choice! It feels incredibly selfish to me, and I'm tired of trying to be diplomatic about it.
Every case of Covid is an opportunity for the virus to mutate further. Although it is more common for variants, over time, to become less lethal, there is always the chance of the opposite occurring. It feels like we're playing Russian roulette with other people's lives if we don't all work together to deal with this pandemic.
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Post by susannah on Jan 27, 2022 15:33:56 GMT
I know we're veering slightly off topic, but my older dd underwent a hyster last week AS SAME DAY SURGERY! 🤯 She had cervical cancer, and if she had needed to stay in the hospital for post op and pain management, she could not have had the surgery due to the number of Covid patients taking up beds. Even non-elective surgeries are being postponed as our area is still seeing very high transmission rates. That's one of the (many) things I find so upsetting: people with conditions other than covid who need the hospital beds but are unable to get them. It's happened to a friend of ours recently, and it seems to be happening more and more. And don't get me started on the cases where people have actually died from other illnesses and conditions because there was not a single bed to be found anywhere around because the beds were all taken by covid patients. Some of these deaths would have been preventable had the patients been able to get the care they needed. It's been two years. We're all tired of covid. I know I'm tired of it. I wish I could reset to a time prior to covid and have covid never happen. But I can't. I'll continue to wear a mask to protect others as well as myself. I'm fully vaccinated and boostered and if another shot is deemed necessary or helpful, I'll get it. Sure, a few of my vaccinated friends have gotten covid, but not a single on of them has been hospitalized - all had very mild symptoms. I don't remember reading anywhere that the vaccines would totally wipe out covid and no one who was vaccinated would get it. I was told that if vaccinated people got breakthrough infections, those infections would be very mild for the most part, and the vaccines would go a long way to prevent severe covid, hospitalization and death. The vaccines are working. I have absolutely no regrets that my husband and I are fully vaccinated. And I'm thrilled that our children and grandchildren are too.
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Post by Woodpecker on Jan 27, 2022 16:30:56 GMT
Hate to give the bad news, but heard this morning that the Omnicron has a new variant and it's here in the USA already. Here we go again
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Post by manygoatsnmore on Jan 27, 2022 17:34:54 GMT
Hate to give the bad news, but heard this morning that the Omnicron has a new variant and it's here in the USA already. Here we go again Yeah, I saw that, too. They first found it in California, and they're calling it a "subvariant". This one, at first glance, appears to be homegrown American. 🙄 Less likely to be detected on the rapid tests, maybe able to evade the vaccine. I know at least Moderna is in Phase 2 trials for their Omicron specific vaccine - I need to look for the info, but I'm pretty sure Pfizer is also working on one. And, yes, like our susannah, if I need to get another vax to help protect myself and others, I will. Logic tells me that even if it only prevents serious illness, it's worth it. If it can prevent illness and spreading the virus, so much the better.
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Post by Maura on Jan 27, 2022 18:13:50 GMT
Moderna is supposed to be effective against the omicron, so I stuck with it.
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Post by bowdonkey on Jan 28, 2022 15:16:08 GMT
I hope this new vaccine gives everyone that takes it the confidence to get on with life and stop with all the fearing of the unvaxed. I can't believe the hysteria and the over reaction of the public and government. Just look at some of the carp that has been and is being proposed. Nothing but hate and spite.
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Post by bowdonkey on Jan 28, 2022 15:25:30 GMT
It would be terrible if working conditions got so bad that the nurses quit and there wasn't enough to staff properly.
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Post by vickilynn on Jan 28, 2022 15:59:42 GMT
It would be terrible if working conditions got so bad that the nurses quit and there wasn't enough to staff properly. That’s one of the reasons for no hospital beds available. Nurses are quitting and they have to close units and eliminate beds. Thus, surgeries get canceled. At our local hospital, they are begging NPs to work a shift on the floor. They were offered $125 an hour to do so. Many local skilled nursing facilities are not accepting new residents either because of the shortage of nurses and aids.
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Post by Weed on Jan 28, 2022 17:59:16 GMT
I’m not vaxxed but my wife is, partly because she has a few underlying health issues but she also bought into the fear being spewed 24/7. In my case, I’m active and fit and very rarely get sick. Back in May of 20’ I got a dose of the covid before there was a vaccine available. After a couple rough days, I was better. Several months later…out of curiosity (after the vax became available) my personal doc ordered bloodwork and confirmed i had the antibodies, then asked me if i wanted to get vaxxed. I explained that after getting ill following every common flu shot ive ever taken, I didn’t want it. He not only agreed but went on to say more long term data was needed and he wasn’t intending to get vaxxed either but basically had to ask. Of course, since then he was forced to get vaxxed to continue practicing.
A lot has been learned since then and the bottom line for me is I’m healthy, retired, out of the workforce, live in a rural area etc…and use common sense social distancing, mask up when in crowded situations etc…. Its also plain to see how covid quickly became politicized and i have little faith in any of the elected idiots from either side. I’m also well aware of the process and time it takes before the FDA gives their stamp of approval. Even far less important issue drugs for less serious issues take years of trials to prove saftey, efficacy and thoroughly study the side effects before risking the public. It still stands out that it was primarily the woke left politicians that openly put doubt in peoples minds saying the vaccine was rushed thru operation warp speed by the Trump administration…many were promising on TV they’d NEVER get the jab. The scientific community fumbled the ball many times too since the early Covid days. Too many proven lies and hypocritical statements during the timeframe its taken to collect the data we have now. Why is it so much $$ was granted to big pharma to rush “several” vaccines and so little given to bring antivirals to market? Strange too that our so called experts were more committed to disproving many of the already FDA approved drugs, rather than run pivotal trials to dive deeper to find a few of these drugs that were already proven safe and effective for other indications that might save lives. Odd too that the definition of a vaccine has been changed and the new standards have been lowered. Makes zero sense to me to take something that doesn’t prevent getting or transmitting covid.
I say this not to stir the pot or start a debate but to let those that feel they know it all, know there are many like me who will never take any of these so called vaccines. Chalk me up as a hard pass, try to deal with it because it is what it is
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Post by bowdonkey on Jan 28, 2022 18:18:37 GMT
Weed, my experience with Covid is exactly the same as yours. I could have wrote your post.
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Post by Weed on Jan 28, 2022 20:26:45 GMT
bowdonkey, United we stand, divided we fall 🤜🤛
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Post by Weed on Jan 29, 2022 16:26:01 GMT
It would be terrible if working conditions got so bad that the nurses quit and there wasn't enough to staff properly. Or…take your sentence and replace “working conditions” with “mandate requirements”. Either way the focus seems to be on further dividing rather than a common sense solution in many cases. The entire pandemic reeks of self destruction due to politicization & the lack of competence by those pulling the strings/driving the narrative. For someone reading the words i wrote here, i imagine many would automatically throw me directly into the far right, hardcore Trump supporting camp or worse. I’m not at all, I’m a libertarian thats listens to both sides (as hard as that may be) to try to find the truth in the middle… Reading thru this thread i noticed just about everyone that posted is vaxxed. Now that more data has been collected since the thread began, I’d love to see a poll asking a few questions like 1. How many here know of someone who’s had or have had a bad reaction themselves to the jab 2. Now that efficacy and safety is better known, how many have buyers remorse Reason I ask is I know many that felt pressured and simply caved, that are downright mad and regret it. I also know a few that had side effects and swear that haven’t felt 100% normal healthwise since.
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Post by bowdonkey on Jan 29, 2022 18:09:50 GMT
I'm one of the unwashed. I have a state job and am 1 of 2 people who didn't roll at our office. The other 10 did. Some for health reasons but at least 4 were under duress. They all had their reasons. But I could feel the animosity towards me. WTH. I've worked with this crew about 8 or more years. If the vaccine or testing requirements are still in place when I'm called back ( off for winter) I'll be retiring. I won't test either. I'm glad I took my stand because all the assumptions about the unvaxed is now wrong. They wanted me to sign a 9 page consent form for testing. I had a few questions, LOL. They wouldn't answer any questions, so there's no way I would test. I would test if I could write the consent forms, and I could keep the test. They want the genetic information, and there's a chance this could be stored off shore. What's that all about? And of course they are not responsible for any misuse. They are also exempt from any liability from adverse effects of the vaccine. NO WAY!
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Post by Weed on Jan 29, 2022 19:42:30 GMT
bowdonkey , I hope you’re given the opportunity to retire on your terms! On one hand I’m optimistic as I see things slowly turning based solely on the conversations I've had with vaccinated friends but OTOH I don’t see much headway happening as long as the MSM/ social media platforms keep yammering and canceling experts/everyone with differing opinions. After working throughout the entirety of the pandemic, building makeshift emergency care areas, etc…while bodies were being piled up in refrigerated trailers, my Son (38yo) was forced to walk away from a 6 figure job as a union carpenter/Philadelphia local because he refused to buckle under to the man. He collected unemployment for less than a month and has since found another job that actually pays even more. But the real problem going forward is that most of the bigger contracts they hold with companies such as the Vanguard group, Comcast etc…have stipulations that all workers must be vaxxed to be eligible to “serve them”. I pray that the lack of people that are willing to work these days and these strongarm tactics come back someday to bite these companies square in the a$$. Something tells me money/stock share price is all that REALLY matters to them. It’s damn criminal when you look at the profit margins of big pharma companies that have capitalized on this crisis!
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Post by bowdonkey on Jan 30, 2022 15:00:16 GMT
Your son did the right thing, and am glad it worked out for him. Around here too many have folded. I just hope if the mandates are totally struck down, there's no animosity towards those who were brave enough not to comply.
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Post by Melissa on Jan 30, 2022 16:18:39 GMT
I had the vaccine and I had no reaction except I felt a little tired. Our entire family has had covid and I haven't caught it even though I took them food, helped with their kids (even held my little granddaughter when she was sick) and did housework. Since I have had leukemia and I know my immune system is not up to par I thought it was a good idea to get the shot. I am glad I did.
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